Did you believe the USA/USSR would nuke each other? (A Cold War poll)

That part of Carter’s Presidency did not bother me too much. The Rabbit attack and the sweaters seemed minor. It was his failure to get much of his own agenda through a congress controlled by his own party and his failed rescue attempt despite his normal attention to detail that depressed me.

I saw Carter as a basically Intelligent, Honest and Earnest President that had no ability to reign in an utterly corrupt and selfish Senate and Congress led by villains like Tip O’Neill and Ted Kennedy.

Hell, I know I will be pelted for this, but I thought Reagan did a lot of good in the short term despite planting the seeds for many of our current woes.

Jim

I wasn’t impressed with the rationality of my world’s leaders, so yeah I figured it was likely that they’d eventually loose the damn things on each other.

I also figured that sooner or later some little terrorist group was going to set off a nuke in a major capitol city and then all the western world governments would go all police-state and it would be civil libertarians vs security-minded jackboots from then on out. Maybe the events of 9/11 will work like a vaccine against that, we’ll see.

Yes, throughout my teenage years I was convinced it would happen.

And now the Soviet archives have been uncovered, it seems like it was more likely (through error) than we even thought.

I had vivid nuclear dreams, and watching Threads (way more scary than The Day After) made me go out and join Youth CND.

Did I have more than a few nightmares about a nucleur holocaust? Yep, lots of them.

I didn’t excatly have a day to day fear but it was always in the back of my head, especially when Regan and Maggie were in power and the Soviets were in their last days.

For a few hours on the morning of 9/11 I thought that they were going to start flying as well. When I heard the Pentagon was hit and there were reports of other planes on the way into Washington I was really scared that this was more than just a (very big)terrorist attack.

I’m a mid-50s guy (in age and birth year - they’re coinciding these days!) but otherwise, same reaction. I thought it could happen, but figured it was a pretty remote possibility.

Plus I grew up in the D.C. area. I always figured that if we had a nuclear war, I’d be vaporized before I knew about it, so I wasn’t too worried, despite the air raid drills and whatnot. (In elementary school, the teachers would lead us into the halls and put our arms over our heads down by the base of the wall. More protection than a desk, but still…)

And you cite this as evidence of Reagan’s propensity to start a nuclear war?

An interesting mindset, to say the least.

I’m no fan of Reagan, but I would generally agree with this statement; when the Reagan Administration took over, the United States was widely consider the punchline to a tired joke about a bumbling giant that thwacks himself in the nose trying to squash a mesquito. After Reagan instituted a number of economic and military changes…the United States was still a punchline to a joke, but one somewhat more respected and certainly feared. The military buildup during the Reagan years was in many respects corporate welfare, but it also reinvigorated our national technology infrastructure and helped float a wallowing economy. The incidential end of the energy crisis of the 'Seventies also helped pump up the economy, and deregulation of energy, transportation, and financial markets resulted in speculation which, at least in the short term, created an economic bubble, albeit one that later popped in dramatically undesireable ways. Carter was a consensus builder, but Reagan–for good and bad–was a charismatic leader; unfortunately, one with a rather simplistic and whitewashed view of the world and America’s place in it.

I don’t believe that Reagan would have intentionally initiated a nuclear strike; while he was naive about the possibility and resulting damage, and at least influenced by the far right Moral Majority, I don’t think he was the kind of nutter who sincerely welcomed the End of Days. I don’t know about the Soviets; I find it very, very unlikely that Brezhnev would (despite his support for brutal oppression in the East Bloc ‘client’ states), and I doubt that the rubber-stamp enthusiast Chernenko would. However, I’m not so sure that Andropov, an ideologue who was scarred by his experiences in the Hungarian Revolution and used propaganda and outright lies to support the most brutal and violent oppression since Stalin’s era, would have deferred if he felt pressured; certainly, he rejected overtures of arms reduction out of hand, made bald threats, covered up blatantly provokational acts like the shootdown of KAL 007, and otherwise gave every indication that he’d rather pull the temple down on his head than permit the United States and NATO to gain any advantage over the Warsaw Pact or allow the East Bloc nations any real autonomy. And of course, all of these men were, in their respective periods of leadership in the late 'Seventies/early 'Eighties, in very poor health, chronically ill, often bedridden, and often unavailable to outside observers, so the possibility of military or political hardliners initiating a silent palace coup and taking charge was every bit as real as the improbable potboiler Seven Days in May.

So sane and rational party is going to initiate nuclear war, or indeed, even use nuclear weapons in a tactical sense. But under stress, people revert to atavistic behavior, and they often become focused on details and miss the big picture. Like Gen. Buck Turgidson–worried that the Soviet Ambassador might see “the Big Board”–it is easy to focus on the here and now without a true consideration for the consequences, and in that scenario the empathy and foresight to avert war, even at an immediate cost, can be lost. Today, films like Duck and Cover and Make Mine Freedom are kitsch and the epitome of camp, but back in the day, they were taken seriously.

Stranger

I was born in 1955. All my friends and I always believed it might happen. How likely we considered it to be was based on the sum total of craziness of the current US president, Soviet premier and Mao. They ALL seemed to be some level of crazy at any given point.

Thanks for posting the link. I’ve heard of “threads” and wanted to watch it, but it was completely unavailable in France.

And it’s even more depressing than I expected, actually.

I was just starting second year at Sheridan College when I came downstairs one fine September morning to the news that the Soviets had just shot down a Korean airliner that had ‘gotten lost’. I thought we were close to war then.

You’re proving my point. It’s so much fun to watch people like you still wetting their pants in fear of Ronald Reagan.

You COULD acknowledge that Reagan wasn’t really crazy, that he didn’t really blow up the world, and that there wasn’t anything to fear. But you’ll go to your grave insisting you were correct to be scared stiff.

Hilarious. And yet, you’re the type who’ll insist we on the RIGHT are paranoid!

Born 1951. When I was in high school I believed it was inevitable and the USSR definitely would start it. I remember saying so to my aunt, and she said it would never happen. As I got older, I backed away from inevitability, although I knew the possibility was still there.

I remember school air raid drills and the Cuban missile crisis. Being from Chicago, I also very dimly remember the night of Tuesday, Sept. 22, 1959. The city sounded the air raid sirens at 10:30 PM just to celebrate the fucking White Sox winning the fucking American League pennant. Hilarity ensued in the form of panicking much of Chicago and Evanston for a few minutes and later a storm of complaints to city hall. You can read a contemporary newspaper article about it on my blog. Perkin Worbeck's Magic Newt: A Cold War moment

I guess I was born a bit late for those drills. We had regular fire drills, but that was it. Fire. We didn’t get the nuclear war nightmare-causing drills, although we did see filmstrips.

When I was a kid I was terrified of that. Growing up in Italy, we got lots of scare mongers on TV explaining how, being smack in the middle of Europe, with lots of American bases on our soil, we’d probably get hit by one of the first waves of Russian missiles.

I also remember diagrams on newspapers showing the operating radii of various delivery means, like bombers, ICBMs, submarines and so on, compared to the size of Italy.

Mind you, I am sure many people did not let this trouble them, apart from maybe when tensions rose, but for me, as a small kid (I was 10 in 1986) it was terribly scary. Sometimes I’d wake up in the middle of the night because a heavy airplane overflew my house and I’d freeze in terror thinking it was a nuclear bomber. I also remember thinking that I’d have to end up living on a space station.

Threads scared the living piss outta the 13 year old me.

I thought it had started one night. Was walking back inside from feeding the dog and there was a bright flash behind me that threw my shadow onto the wall in front of me. Directly underneath the outside porch light that was on. :eek:

We lived about 20 miles from Lima, Ohio, where they were building the M1 Abrams, not a primary target, but we always figured it would be hit as soon as they could get an extra missile out. I thought that was what the flash was and I was going to be dead in seconds. Turns out I was too far from there to have died in the explosion, assuming reasonable accuracy. And it wasn’t a nuke obviously, found out it was a meteorite that came down somewhere near the Ohio/Indiana state line.

I was born in 1962, while we had duck and cover drills, they were more for tornadoes then nuclear strikes. But we did take it seriously, and considered it a real possibility.

Ours were for earthquakes.

Astorian I think your logic is irrational. I love Ronald Reagan and yet I read about the Cold War all the time and nuclear war was on a hair trigger every second. It was not a joke nor mere scare tactics to be laughed at years later like today. Reagan was frantically trying to come up with a way to reduce the threat which was the Star Wars plan. That was defensive and we didn’t have the technology at the time to make it work. There were several very close calls that we lucked out on.

MAD is a defensive measure that ensures that if either the U.S. or the former USSR launched then it had to be taken to its final conclusion within minutes to a couple of hours. Many billions of dollars spent on nuclear launch capability were not for show and they still aren’t. This isn’t about Reagan at all. I assume that you are younger than I am at 35 otherwise you would know this. It was a deadly serious game that all 6th graders got briefed about over and over.

Read the earlier posts by Stranger on a Train for some excellent summaries. I can’t imagine why someone would say that their was zero or little risk of nuclear war during the Cold War. Little kids even knew that we could die. The movies Wargames and The Day After came out in 1983. We were all encouraged to watch them as kids. Ironically, the Soviet incident involving one person, Colonel Petrov, happened around the same time. He saved the world by disobedience to his position and he was a substitute on command that night. It could have easily turned out the other way if someone else was on duty that night. He is called “The man that saved the world” and lost everything because of it.

There is a logical fallacy in saying that I predicted X would happen, other people say that it could, and it didn’t happen. Therefore, I was right and there was never any risk at all.

Why would I worry. lets see, I went to school and they ran movies showing the abombs and how they destroyed everything. They showed movies of Nagasaki and Hiroshioma. One showed a guy walking past a concrete structure when the flash went off. all that was left was a faint shadow on the concrete. Then newspapers showed what the idea target would be to cause the most damage in every city. Ground zero was about a half mile from my house. Then every week we had a drill where we went into the basement of the school and waited for an all clear siren. We did not know why any one would want to do such a thing but we knew they were considering it.

Born in 1977. That made me 12 when the Berlin Wall came down, and 14 when my history teacher came to class shaken and said we were finally right - he no longer needed to correct us for calling the USSR “Russia.”

I never believed we’d have a nuclear war, and I didn’t know anyone who was remotely worried about it - at least anyone who wasn’t an adult. We thought our parents’ fears were paranoid, because by the time we were old enough to be aware of the USSR, it was no longer the superpower it had been in the past. To us the cold war mostly mean photo ops for Regan and Gorbachev.