# Did you find Colbert's Trump Comment Homophobic? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785 "2017-05-03T16:21:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/21 "2017-05-03T19:09:01Z")
What was the comment? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/22 "2017-05-03T19:10:50Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What was the comment? “In fact, the only thing your [Trump’s] mouth is good for is being Vladimir Putin’s cock holster.” ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/23 "2017-05-03T19:11:35Z")
> [@mcgato](#): > > I have seen the concept described as: > –the person getting their dick sucked holds a lot of power and is very important, > –the person sucking the dick does not have as much power and wants to please the powerful person to gain some favor. > > It is not particularly homosexual, it is about a power disparity and gaining favor from a powerful person. While I agree, I think it’s all interesting to think about ‘what if’ variations. What if Hillary was president, and the joke was that Hillary was only good for being a cock-holster (for Putin or whomever)? That would definitely be seen as sexist and demeaning to women. Or what if Trump was still the insulted party, but instead of Putin, it was say, Angela Merkel? And the joke was something like “Trump’s mouth is only good for being Merkel’s vagina licker”? I think that would be perceived as _less_ offensive (since it lacks both the homosexual and man-objectifying-woman overtones). ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/24 "2017-05-03T19:23:42Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Not homophobic. It’s about Trump being subservient, not being gay. Well, yeah, but that’s basically the oldest kind of homophobic in the book, isn’t it? A man sucking another man’s dick is subservient, and less of a man. I mean, I’m not saying that I personally suck dicks with any regularity. But if I did (and who knows, maybe at some point I’ll develop a taste for it), I would take offense at the idea that doing so diminished my manhood. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/25 "2017-05-03T19:24:56Z")
\*\*Folks, this is a generalized, pre-emptive warning about keeping this cvil in this forum. \*\* I don’t want to move this to the Pit if it gets too heated. > [@scr4](#): > > No. But this is. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/26 "2017-05-03T19:33:29Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > “In fact, the only thing your [Trump’s] mouth is good for is being Vladimir Putin’s cock holster.” Thanks. I don’t think it’s homophobic, per se, but it’s a little close to the line for my taste (and I agree with **Bricker** ’s observation, assuming a hypothetical universe where there are conservative comedians). ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/27 "2017-05-03T19:34:27Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > A man sucking another man’s dick is subservient, and less of a man. Never understood the “subservient” position to be honest, if a person has their teeth in close proximity to a man’s member, they are anything but subservient. I don’t think Colbert was homophobic. Calling it homophobic on the other hand IMO _is_ homophobic. Presumably, cock-sucking Americans (:D) are also upset at his closeness with the leader of the US’s biggest enemy. Think of it this way. When Ceaser allegedly became a Bithiyan Bum Boy to get a fleet, was the issue that being a Bum Boy insulting (it was). Or that a Roman senator had sold out to a minor power. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/28 "2017-05-03T19:47:25Z")
Not even remotely. He’s saying that Trump is sucking Putin’s cock, which is arguable as a political metaphor. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/29 "2017-05-03T20:09:31Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > cock-sucking Americans Band name! > [@AK84](#): > > Think of it this way. When Ceaser allegedly became a Bithiyan Bum Boy to get a fleet, was the issue that being a Bum Boy insulting (it was). Or that a Roman senator had sold out to a minor power. Hey, I remember that thread. It was a good one! Well, yeah. Fine, I guess homophobic isn’t quite right, considering that this particular type of insult goes back to before homosexuality/heterosexuality were even concepts as we know them, and the actual dichotomy in play is dominant/subservient, or, if you will, top/bottom. Putin, of course, comes across untouched by any accusation (if that’s the right word) of gayness (if _that_’s the right word), since he’s the one doing the fucking here. Still, though: I don’t want to be crude or anything, but isn’t there sometimes a rather fine line between “gay” and “sucks dick”? It seems like a rather persnickety distinction to me. Maybe you can’t say that calling Caesar “the queen of Bithynia” is homophobic. And maybe “bum boy” isn’t homophobic. But it’s still a sexual joke that plays on a person’s relative position while engaging in man-on-man action. It’s not about gayness as in orientation, but it’s still a rather popular gay activity that is being made fun of here. There is \*some \*level of the joke that has to do with gay sex, if not homosexuality as such, right? Not that there’s necessarily anything \*wrong \*with that kind of joke. Look, I guess this is what I mean: When you laugh at such a joke, are you laughing only at the political metaphor (which, as far as I’m concerned, is unproblematic), or are you also finding the idea of a literal man sucking a literal dick funny? And if it’s the latter, in what way is it funny? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/30 "2017-05-03T20:17:54Z")
Is “c-cks-cker” an acceptable insult in the Pit, or is it considered a slur? > [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > There is \*some \*level of the joke that has to do with gay sex, if not homosexuality as such, right? Colbert is saying, “Trump is so weak, he does gay things.” There are other ways of portraying subservience, and I’m having a hard time seeing how the choice of this one is not homophobic. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/31 "2017-05-03T20:22:12Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Well, yeah, but that’s basically the oldest kind of homophobic in the book, isn’t it? A man sucking another man’s dick is subservient, and less of a man. > > I mean, I’m not saying that I personally suck dicks with any regularity. But if I did (and who knows, maybe at some point I’ll develop a taste for it), I would take offense at the idea that doing so diminished my manhood. It’s my experience that most cock sucking isn’t done as a form of appeasement as is the implication. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/32 "2017-05-03T20:26:38Z")
Not remotely. If Trump were a woman the joke still works. Would it be heterophobic then??? Ditto changing Putin’s gender and making suitable physiological changes to the joke. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/33 "2017-05-03T20:26:54Z")
I think it is homophobic, yet widely accepted, in the same way that calling someone a “pussy” connotes weakness and so on. As a woman, I am irritated by that usage. I’d say Colbert crossed a line. It was a fine rant, but try again without the slam on homosexuality. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/34 "2017-05-03T20:40:52Z")
He’s calling Trump and/or Putin gay. It seems homophobic to say that’s homophobic. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/35 "2017-05-03T20:52:55Z")
I would say that, in general, it’s a homophobic remark but also that Colbert is using it in context of two very homophobic men. Putin and Trump are willing to do real damage to homosexuals. Claiming that they are homosexual partners is deliberately playing on their own homophobia. I think that Colbert was deliberately reaching for a phrase that would hurt the men in their own inadequacies (not that I suppose Putin watches Colbert) - but I’m not sure that’s enough of an excuse for actually saying something homophobic. I understand that it’s satire, but I would prefer that Colbert still reach a littler higher than calling the president gay. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/36 "2017-05-03T20:53:57Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > He’s calling Trump and/or Putin gay. It seems homophobic to say that’s homophobic. Using “gay” as a slur clearly homophobic, as the long and obvious history of the word demonstrates. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/37 "2017-05-03T21:06:07Z")
Calling Trump gay as a slur is clearly homophobic, if Rush Limbaugh called Obama “Assad’s cock socket” for not bombing Syria no one would doubt it. It also plays on the ancient (going back to Roman times) idea that being the receptive partner in sex is weak or unmanly, which combines misogyny and homophobia. I’m not sure why this is even under debate. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/38 "2017-05-03T21:07:04Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Using “gay” as a slur clearly homophobic, as the long and obvious history of the word demonstrates. I think whether or not the gay part was meant to be a slur is open to interpretation. I do think it was in poor taste because it sounds so much like a gay slur but his intent could be to highlight the relationship position he has with Putin. ---
**Author:** ![edwardcoast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cab0a1/32.png) [@edwardcoast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwardcoast)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/39 "2017-05-03T21:07:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I thought Colbert was a bit crude. I don’t find it Homophobic. > > Gays don’t exclusively have a monopoly on fellato. Girls do it too. 😃 > > It’s a normal sex act. Practiced every day by tens of millions of people. Not a gay slur imho > > Obviously some thought went into this writing. It was probably discussed at length among Colbert’s writers. Comics are painfully aware how hyper sensitive audiences are today. > > I think the entire piece is well crafted and devastatingly on point. > > “Sir, you attract more skinheads than free Rogaine,” the host continued. “You have more people marching against you than cancer. You talk like a sign-language gorilla that got hit in the head.” And then the kicker: “In fact, the only thing your mouth is good for is being Vladimir Putin’s cock holster.” He’s a comic, he will say anything to get a laugh. It has nothing to do with being homophobic or not. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785/40 "2017-05-03T21:12:01Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Calling Trump gay as a slur is clearly homophobic, if Rush Limbaugh called Obama “Assad’s cock socket” for not bombing Syria no one would doubt it. It also plays on the ancient (going back to Roman times) idea that being the receptive partner in sex is weak or unmanly, which combines misogyny and homophobia. I’m not sure why this is even under debate. On reflection I think you are right. I just didn’t take it that way at first. Too much history of homophobia attached to that theme. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-find-colberts-trump-comment-homophobic/785785.md?page=3)