# Did you guys know that Evil Captor likes bondage? With bonus fuck-off for Miller! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2005, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510 "2005-11-17T17:31:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/181 "2005-11-19T02:20:30Z")
Just for clarification, and so there is absolutely no confusion: **Vegemite Moose** , my last post was not directed at you, but the bleeding pussy above you who has trouble admitting his premature verbal ejaculation. ---
**Author:** ![VegemiteMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/df788c/32.png) [@VegemiteMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegemiteMoose)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/182 "2005-11-19T02:27:12Z")
No problem **Maureen** I totally got that to begin with. I was going to start this post with “No shit” but I thought that might drive my percentage of shit-related posts above the minimum. Whoops. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/183 "2005-11-19T03:10:09Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Well I believe that we’re the sum of our thoughts, and not just of our actions. Otherwise we would all be defined by what we get away with. Hmm. I don’t really follow you. If someone does an evil act, and no one knows about it, they’re still evil. If you place a moral value on thoughts, then if someone has an evil thought, and no one knows about it, they’d still be evil. And evil thoughts are much easier to hide than evil actions. Now, I consider speech an action, so someone who goes around saying, “We should kill all the Jews,” is still evil, even if he never does any actuall Jew-killing, because he’s promoting an evil act. The difference I see here is that **Evil Captor** isn’t promoting rape, he’s promoting consensual sex that involves feigned rape/torture/whatever. But he’s been very clear on the consensual part. He’s not hurting anyone, and he’s not saying anyone should actually be hurt, he’s just saying he likes it when people _pretend_ to be hurt. Which is wierd, but not immoral. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/184 "2005-11-19T05:04:15Z")
So let me get this straight. **Evil Captor** wasn’t pitted because he likes bondage, just because he posts about it. Don’t say constantly, because that has been thoroughly debunked. If his posts were anti-bondage would you pit him for bringing up how much he doesn’t like bondage? I think Evil Captor was pitted but Excalibre is an ass. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/185 "2005-11-19T05:22:35Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > There was no “plotting” on the snark board at all that lead to this. There actually _was_ a concerted effort in one case to aggregate links leading to a poster’s eventual banning - that poster being **Kaitlyn** , the possible-transsexual. I was certainly not part of that, and I think that kind of plotting is rather disgusting. > > But nothing similar happened with **Evil Captor** at all. There was a thread there about **Evil Captor** having posted yet another gratuitous reference to bondage; someone listed links to threads he wrote in strict chronological order, and **inkleberry** reposted that list here. But it’s not as though there was any sort of “Calling all snarkers: Get this onto the SDMB, quick!” It was a conversation _about_ the SDMB that happened in another location (as happens quite commonly - as has been pointed out, there are _lots_ of LiveJournals and so forth devoted to talking about the SDMB outside the SDMB. That’s not really surprising, is it? Any large group of people will also include smaller subgroups that discuss the community amongst themselves. There’s plenty of ancillary SDMB groups, or groups primarily composed of SDMB members, that are well-known and some people participate, and others don’t. > > There was certainly not “plot” afoot in this instance. It was just a bunch of people having a conversation about **Evil Captor** , some of whom agreed with me that he posts about his interest too often and others who didn’t. **inkleberry** decided to start a pit thread here - apparently, hearing about **Evil Captor** ’s interests once too often rankled her, but all she did was take a list of links, add more to them, and repost them as part of her pitting. > > There is no large group of people who’ve decided to “take **Evil Captor** ” down, or start some sort of deliberate pile-on, or anything of the sort. Defending **Evil Captor** because you believe some sort of large-scale plot against him is occurring is ridiculous and paranoid. **inkleberry** ’s thread was shut down (in accordance with usual practice) because there is a strong wall of separation between this place and all other boards. That doesn’t mean there was a group of people carefully orchestrating some plan. > > It’s just that some of us have been annoyed with **Evil Captor** for some time, and it happens to have been discussed off-board before it was discussed here. I bet you any doper gathering has people talking about others as well. It may seem rude to have a conversation behind **Evil Captor** ’s back, so to speak, but as **inkleberry** pointed out, that happened spontaneously in her living room as well. That happens _all the time_, online and off, and it’s silly to be shocked or horrified by it. **Evil Captor** could certainly find every other SDMB-related forum in existence if he wanted to know if anyone was talking about him, but I don’t think any person alive would bother to do that. Likewise, we sometimes have pit threads devoted to people who don’t hang out in the pit. (How many **lekatt** -related pittings have there been, for instance?) There is no special facility to inform a user any time their name has been mentioned in a thread they don’t happen to run into, either. (Though you can do vanity searches.) Your friends talk about you when you’re not around, too, as do your co-workers. Nothing in this instance was more “devious” or “underhanded” than any conversation about absent people that happens anywhere. Whatever you say, guy. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/186 "2005-11-19T06:07:21Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > So let me get this straight. > > **Evil Captor** wasn’t pitted because he likes bondage, just because he posts about it. > Don’t say constantly, because that has been thoroughly debunked. This is a blatant falsehood; no one who posts as much as **Evil Captor** could possibly do it in every post. As I demonstrated, one of my central ‘obsessions’ here on the boards appears to net about 1% of my posts - but it’s something that’s been remarked upon by others. To claim that because he does not exclusively post about bondage doesn’t mean that he doesn’t post about the subject more than anyone else (he does - I’ve certainly proven that by pointing out that he’s made a sixth of the total references to bondage in the past year), that he doesn’t bring it up in situations where it’s not relevant to the discussion (he does), that he doesn’t post about it quite frequently (he does - he just posts rapidly enough that he can post about a subject every day or two and still let it account for only a fraction of his post total.) Other people have reputations for posting on certain subjects, without it being their sole all-consuming passion. To suggest that he doesn’t frequently post about bondage - and do so in threads relating to other matters - is false. It is a lie. Perhaps those of us who are bothered by it are a minority - that certainly appears to be the case - but it’s not as though I’m the first to notice it or start to expect it whenever I see his name in a Cafe Society post. > [@Larry Borgia](#): > > Whatever you say, guy. I’m not sure why you’re dismissing me here. Are you suggesting that what I said isn’t true? That I am part of some Vast Non-Bondage Conspiracy? If you would like to argue the merits of whether **Evil Captor** ’s gratuitous sexual references are unpleasant or not, you may, but it’s a weak debate tactic to make _ad hominem_ attacks suggesting that I’m only posting about this as a representative of some evil “We Hate the SDMB” club. It’s a lie as well, and a pretty blatant insult of me personally. Do you insult everyone who disagrees with you on anything? ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/187 "2005-11-19T07:04:02Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > Just for clarification, and so there is absolutely no confusion: > **Vegemite Moose** , my last post was not directed at you, but the bleeding pussy above you who has trouble admitting his premature verbal ejaculation. Listen you cunt, I was writing my post at the same time you were. I did not post without bothering to read your post, I was writing mine _at the same fucking time_. For you to snarkily scold me for overlooking your post, while in fact the confusion was caused by your failure to notice the proximity of posting time, makes you asshole. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/188 "2005-11-19T07:14:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Hmm. I don’t really follow you. If someone does an evil act, and no one knows about it, they’re still evil. If you place a moral value on thoughts, then if someone has an evil thought, and no one knows about it, they’d still be evil. And evil thoughts are much easier to hide than evil actions. > > Now, I consider speech an action, so someone who goes around saying, “We should kill all the Jews,” is still evil, even if he never does any actuall Jew-killing, because he’s promoting an evil act. The difference I see here is that **Evil Captor** isn’t promoting rape, he’s promoting consensual sex that involves feigned rape/torture/whatever. But he’s been very clear on the consensual part. He’s not hurting anyone, and he’s not saying anyone should actually be hurt, he’s just saying he likes it when people _pretend_ to be hurt. Which is wierd, but not immoral. This still sounds like if you get away with it it’s not immoral. We’re all responsible for our moral universes, which starts with who we are as a person. Who we are as a person starts with what goes on inside our head. The rest of what you say is moral-relativist tapdancing. If you can watch a movie that has, for a more extreme example to make the point, a storyline of a child being raped, killed, and eaten, and you get OFF on that, then you have some personal moral issues to deal with. Just because your choice not to act on those fantasies prevents them from affecting other people doesn’t change that. Obviously, that’s another level of immoral. I have never said that my definition of morality in this context is measured by whether it hurts other people. The challenge of living a moral life is as much about the health of your own “soul” as it is about the souls of others. Moreso, in fact. How you can say that fantasies of rape and dismemberment are morally null is utterly beyond me, unless you can’t separate morality from action. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/189 "2005-11-19T14:54:17Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > This still sounds like if you get away with it it’s not immoral. > > We’re all responsible for our moral universes, which starts with who we are as a person. Who we are as a person starts with what goes on inside our head. > > The rest of what you say is moral-relativist tapdancing. > > If you can watch a movie that has, for a more extreme example to make the point, a storyline of a child being raped, killed, and eaten, and you get OFF on that, then you have some personal moral issues to deal with. > > Just because your choice not to act on those fantasies prevents them from affecting other people doesn’t change that. Obviously, that’s another level of immoral. I have never said that my definition of morality in this context is measured by whether it hurts other people. The challenge of living a moral life is as much about the health of your own “soul” as it is about the souls of others. Moreso, in fact. > > How you can say that fantasies of rape and dismemberment are morally null is utterly beyond me, unless you can’t separate morality from action. **lissener** , I’ve started a [GD thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6813718) about this topic, to avoid having this thread be split into a debate section and a swearing section. Your presence is requested. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/190 "2005-11-19T15:22:20Z")
**lissener and maureen** , that has got to be one of the most vicious exchanges I’ve seen here for the stupidest reason. Just because we _can_ be complete assholes in the Pit doesn’t mean we _have_ to. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/191 "2005-11-19T15:39:30Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > There was no “plotting” on the snark board at all that lead to this. … I was certainly not part of that, and I think that kind of plotting is rather disgusting. Well, you forgot to mention that when you thought that your Pit thread wasn’t doing too weel, you went over to the “snark” board and posted over there asking for back-up from the members of that board. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/192 "2005-11-19T15:56:45Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > **lissener and maureen** , that has got to be one of the most vicious exchanges I’ve seen here for the stupidest reason. Just because we _can_ be complete assholes in the Pit doesn’t mean we _have_ to. Thank you. 🙂 Sorry, joking. Yup, it was a stupid reason. But I thought **lissener** calling me a pompous asswipe simply because he was embarrassed was a bit of an overreaction. And since this is the Pit, I reacted with what I thought to be a proportional response. Certainly I don’t believe I garnered that kind of reaction for merely pointing out that I’d already apologized (and that apology was meant sincerely, btw) to the offended party. On top of which, how over the top is it to compare my post that **EC** was being pitted for liking bondage to “playing a race card”? I mean, damn. Histrionic much? So. Sorry if I offended you, **featherlou** , or anyone when I pointed this out to the whiny pussy. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/193 "2005-11-19T16:39:51Z")
**Excalibre** , sorry about that last post, that was pretty pissy of me. FTR I’d had a few. :o Generally as a doper I have a fair amount of respect for you. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/194 "2005-11-19T17:09:26Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > This is a blatant falsehood; no one who posts as much as **Evil Captor** could possibly do it in every post. As I demonstrated, one of my central ‘obsessions’ here on the boards appears to net about 1% of my posts - but it’s something that’s been remarked upon by others. To claim that because he does not exclusively post about bondage doesn’t mean that he doesn’t post about the subject more than anyone else (he does - I’ve certainly proven that by pointing out that he’s made a sixth of the total references to bondage in the past year), that he doesn’t bring it up in situations where it’s not relevant to the discussion (he does), that he doesn’t post about it quite frequently (he does - he just posts rapidly enough that he can post about a subject every day or two and still let it account for only a fraction of his post total.) Other people have reputations for posting on certain subjects, without it being their sole all-consuming passion. To suggest that he doesn’t frequently post about bondage - and do so in threads relating to other matters - is false. It is a lie. Perhaps those of us who are bothered by it are a minority - that certainly appears to be the case - but it’s not as though I’m the first to notice it or start to expect it whenever I see his name in a Cafe Society post. But as you said, it’s all about the bondage. The fact that he is posting about bondage is what is bothering you. Other posters are famous for talking about a subject frequently or bringing that subject up in threads where they don’t belong. But you aren’t pitting them. You are pitting Evil Captor. If you aren’t pitting other dopers for bringing up something all the time then it can only be what he brings up all the time. And what is it that he brings up all the time? Ummm… Bondage? So you are pitting for the subject matter he brings up. You are pitting him for the _bondage_ because you have a problem with his fantasy life. Other people bring up Star Trek or Monty Python or Terry Pratchit, or Douglas Adams, or George Bush or Bill Clinton ‘all’ the time but it is **Evil Captor** that is buggin you. Don’t try to pretend that you don’t have a problem with BSDM. What are you going to tell me next, that Saddam had something to do with 9/11 and that if I pass this email along Bill Gates will send me to Disneyland? And just because you’re not the only person to be bothered by something does not lend your complaints any validity. More than one person is bothered by inter-racial marriage. More than one person is in the Illinoise Nazi Party, (I hate those guys), more than one person belongs ot PETA. Doesn’t mean that they are right. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/195 "2005-11-19T17:34:56Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > So you are pitting for the subject matter he brings up. You are pitting him for the _bondage_ because you have a problem with his fantasy life. Other people bring up Star Trek or Monty Python or Terry Pratchit, or Douglas Adams, or George Bush or Bill Clinton ‘all’ the time but it is **Evil Captor** that is buggin you. Don’t try to pretend that you don’t have a problem with BSDM. What are you going to tell me next, that Saddam had something to do with 9/11 and that if I pass this email along Bill Gates will send me to Disneyland? Look, if you have to make up a false justification for hating me, that’s your business. I can’t do anything more than what I’ve done in this thread - make it clear from the outset that I have no problem with what he enjoys or likes to fantasize about. After all, I was there only a few posts above defending so-called “deviant” sexual fantasies and practices, and I’ve acknowledged that I enjoy bondage and other activities that people find upsetting. But if you want to assign me thoughts that I have manifestly never held, that I have made it clear that I don’t hold, and that I have argued against _in this very thread_, then fine. That makes you a moron, and it’s obviously not worth my time to try to discuss this with you any further, since you have already decided to disregard reality and assign me the motives that you find convenient. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/196 "2005-11-19T18:20:44Z")
I don’t think Doglas Adams was ever into bondage. ---
**Author:** ![spinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@spinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spinky)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/197 "2005-11-19T18:58:11Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > **Evil Captor** , I too am not amused by the constant references to bondage. It seems like virtually every thread you post references your interest in it. Hell, even your screen name does. I haven’t read the whole thread (heck, I was skimming by the bottom of page 1), and I might not even bother reading replies to my comment here, but I wanted to interject a point from an uninterested observer’s point of view… I’m not getting this “your screen name is a reference to bondage” thing at all. Maybe “Evil Captor” is some kind of standard bondage term the way “Mistress” is, and I’d know that if I wasn’t clueless, but the username just does not conjure up any bondage or sex imagery for me. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/198 "2005-11-19T19:09:07Z")
> [@ntucker](#): > > I haven’t read the whole thread (heck, I was skimming by the bottom of page 1), and I might not even bother reading replies to my comment here, but I wanted to interject a point from an uninterested observer’s point of view… > > I’m not getting this “your screen name is a reference to bondage” thing at all. Maybe “Evil Captor” is some kind of standard bondage term the way “Mistress” is, and I’d know that if I wasn’t clueless, but the username just does not conjure up any bondage or sex imagery for me. It is definitely an explicit reference to his bondage/slavegirl fetish. I’m not claiming that it’s obvious to anyone who sees his handle what he’s into, but he’s made references in posts to wanting to see women carried off by “Evil Captors.” ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Side\_of\_the\_Floyd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Dark\_Side\_of\_the\_Floyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dark_Side_of_the_Floyd)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/199 "2005-11-19T19:15:31Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I don’t think Doglas Adams was ever into bondage. :snort: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/200 "2005-11-19T19:31:07Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > This still sounds like if you get away with it it’s not immoral. > > We’re all responsible for our moral universes, which starts with who we are as a person. Who we are as a person starts with what goes on inside our head. > > The rest of what you say is moral-relativist tapdancing. > > If you can watch a movie that has, for a more extreme example to make the point, a storyline of a child being raped, killed, and eaten, and you get OFF on that, then you have some personal moral issues to deal with. > > Just because your choice not to act on those fantasies prevents them from affecting other people doesn’t change that. Obviously, that’s another level of immoral. I have never said that my definition of morality in this context is measured by whether it hurts other people. The challenge of living a moral life is as much about the health of your own “soul” as it is about the souls of others. Moreso, in fact. > > How you can say that fantasies of rape and dismemberment are morally null is utterly beyond me, unless you can’t separate morality from action. I’ve responded to this in **robertligouri** ’s GD thread, if you’re interested in persuing it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510.md?page=11)