# Did you guys know that Evil Captor likes bondage? With bonus fuck-off for Miller! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2005, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510 "2005-11-17T17:31:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2005, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/221 "2005-11-20T06:26:30Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Obviously I attach my name to what I say on the snark board, which I do to make it clear that I’m not there out of any underhanded purpose - anyone who sees it can tell if I said it. You mean you _sometimes_ attach your name to what you say. That one post, supposedly by you, that you used to defend yourself against my accusation, was not under your name. And anyway, I’m sure if a person sometimes posts at the snark board under their name, it’s a pretty good sign that they post there other times without signing their name. > [@](#): > > _Anyone_ might be posting _anything_ in response to something that on that message board or another that you and I might not even know about. That’s true. But in your case, I know for sure that you post there. In case you hadn’t guessed, I have a pretty low opinion of the people who post there. > [@](#): > > If the idea is that everyone who posts there is under automatic suspicion whenever they post here, then make that clear. In my eyes, yes. Especially when they start a thread at the SDMB, that the posters at the snark board were begging to have someone start at the SDMB to enjoy the juicy trainwreck. > [@](#): > > Believe it or not, it’s not a gigantic conspiracy. It’s a bunch of people talking about the SDMB. Like we do here a lot of the time, as a matter of fact. And like people do on a lot of websites. Disingenuous much? The behaviour at the snark board is to spread lies, constantly rag on people and encourage trainwrecks. Not much like the other offshot boards that I know of. And at other boards, even if there is the occasional gossip, there’s also some worthwhile threads to go along with it. The snark board has only the garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2005, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/222 "2005-11-20T06:54:39Z")
> [@Arnold Winkelried](#): > > You mean you _sometimes_ attach your name to what you say. That one post, supposedly by you, that you used to defend yourself against my accusation, was not under your name. And anyway, I’m sure if a person sometimes posts at the snark board under their name, it’s a pretty good sign that they post there other times without signing their name. I don’t, but you’ll have to take my word for it. You’ll also have to trust me that I don’t discuss the SDMB on boards that you don’t know about, nor do I have little figurines of prominent posters and moderators on a chessboard that I move as I manipulate them and laugh maniacally like a B-movie villain. If you’re not logged in, the default behavior of the deadjournal board software is to post anonymously, and it seems to forget my login sometimes. It’s easy to accidentally post anonymously, but you can obviously tell from that message that I only inadvertently did so - my identity was obviously not even vaguely concealed in it. > [@](#): > > That’s true. But in your case, I know for sure that you post there. In case you hadn’t guessed, I have a pretty low opinion of the people who post there. The fact that you know _I_ post there _ought_ to be a signal that I’m not posting anything there that I mind people here connecting with my login. I like sometimes discussing what’s going on here outside of the frame of the particular style of discussion that develops here. But if you have a negative opinion of me, that’s fine. Again, though, it’s against the rules for you to bring up what’s going on on other boards in posts here. In this case, you seem to be focusing on it a good deal. What’s relevant is _this_ board and _this_ thread. > [@](#): > > In my eyes, yes. Especially when they start a thread at the SDMB, that the posters at the snark board were begging to have someone start at the SDMB to enjoy the juicy trainwreck. Why is it such a big concern of yours that “they’re laughing at us!” Should a trainwreck start, wouldn’t the usual tools - thread closings and warnings - be sufficient to stop it? Certainly your ham-handed attempts to figure out all my evil machinations have been a blatant failure - you completely misjudged the circumstances of my participation here. > [@](#): > > Disingenuous much? The behaviour at the snark board is to spread lies, constantly rag on people and encourage trainwrecks. Not much like the other offshot boards that I know of. And at other boards, even if there is the occasional gossip, there’s also some worthwhile threads to go along with it. The snark board has only the garbage. **Arnold** , once again, what happens on another website is not only immaterial, the rules forbid discussing it. _I am not willing to discuss your opinions of any other board beyond this point, because while you are an administrator, I am not, and I like this place and don’t wish to risk my posting privileges rehashing what’s going on somewhere else._ Please drop your discussion of what may or may not be happening on another message board - _I_ am not permitted, in the rules, to reply to your accusations and I do not wish to be in the position again of either allowing your accusations about me to go unchallenged or violating the board rules. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2005, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/223 "2005-11-20T07:21:27Z")
Incidentally, if you are still anxious to discuss the snark board, you are free to email me: excalibre at gmail dot com. We can talk about it there outside of the prying eyes of snark board members and the rule about discussing off-board matters. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2005, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/224 "2005-11-20T07:53:14Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > nor do I have little figurines of prominent posters and moderators on a chessboard that I move as I manipulate them and laugh maniacally like a B-movie villain. Who told you about my rec room?!?! :mad: :mad: :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2005, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/225 "2005-11-20T15:08:40Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > I don’t, but you’ll have to take my word for it. Or refuse to belive you, of course. > [@](#): > > Why is it such a big concern of yours that “they’re laughing at us!” They can laugh as much as they want, what I dislike is people over here following the suggestions of the anon posters to start trainwrecks. > [@](#): > > \*I am not willing to discuss your opinions of any other board beyond this point, because while you are an administrator, I am not No, actually, I am no longer a moderator or administrator of this board. > [@](#): > > Please drop your discussion of what may or may not be happening on another message board Sure fine. I’ve said what I’ve had to say. I see that this other board has a certain appeal for you, and that you find the topics discussed there, and the people posting there, to be congenial to your interests. Bully for you. You can now return to your snarkboard-sponsored pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2005, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/226 "2005-11-20T15:10:31Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Incidentally, if you are still anxious to discuss the snark board, you are free to email me: excalibre at gmail dot com. Provide you via e-mail with more material for the snark board? No thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/227 "2005-11-20T15:21:00Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > **Arnold** , once again, what happens on another website is not only immaterial, the rules forbid discussing it. And P.S.: your understanding differs from mine. My understanding is that the following is frowned upon: a) Taking a post from over there and using it to start a fight over here; b) Starting a thread over here to continue a flame fest that is posted at another board. In my interpretation, it is permissible at the SDMB to post a personal opinion of the snark board and its posters, which is what I’ve done. Of course, after this thread, the moderators may decide that my interpretation is incorrect. If so, I am sure they would tell me to shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2005, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/228 "2005-11-21T01:51:42Z")
> [@Arnold Winkelried](#): > > And P.S.: your understanding differs from mine. My understanding is that the following is frowned upon: > a) Taking a post from over there and using it to start a fight over here; > b) Starting a thread over here to continue a flame fest that is posted at another board. > > In my interpretation, it is permissible at the SDMB to post a personal opinion of the snark board and its posters, which is what I’ve done. Of course, after this thread, the moderators may decide that my interpretation is incorrect. If so, I am sure they would tell me to shut up. Well, I just waded through this thing again and **you** took a post from over there to if not start a fight, then to continue one. Also, I’ve tried to search to find the massive posts that **excalibre** apparently has made about how much the boards suck. Can’t find anything except for him bitching about google ads. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2005, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/229 "2005-11-21T03:40:09Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > Well, I just waded through this thing again and **you** took a post from over there to if not start a fight, then to continue one. > > Also, I’ve tried to search to find the massive posts that **excalibre** apparently has made about how much the boards suck. Can’t find anything except for him bitching about google ads. Don’t worry. The fact that no one has cited any examples of my “prolific” and “constant” complaining (though I did appreciate **TVeblen** ’s mention of my eloquence) is pretty much proof-positive that it was a baseless accusation. **This Year’s Model** has clearly had it in for me since I chimed into some threads complaining about baseless thread closures - he even posted in one of them that people were just complaining because they hate him personally. Boy’s got a persecution complex you can see from the space shuttle. As for **Arnold** , I’m not sure why he cares so much about the snark board. **Arnold** , I remind you that everyone here is potentially a snark board user - were I actually secretly plotting against the SDMB from over there, I obviously wouldn’t have signed _any_ of my posts there. > [@Arnold](#): > > They can laugh as much as they want, what I dislike is people over here following the suggestions of the anon posters to start trainwrecks. And as has been pretty conclusively demonstrated - despite your _mistaken_ attempt to implicate me for it - I’ve never acted on the suggestions of anyone else in posting here. But anyway, **Xploder** , I appreciate your excellent demonstration of **Arnold** ’s having violated his very own interpretation of the rules (an interpretation far narrower than any that has been used in the past, of course) - but it’s become pretty clear that **Arnold** doesn’t care what I’ve actually said or done anyway; reality does not seem to impinge very heavily upon his world. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2005, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/230 "2005-11-21T03:51:04Z")
I’ve spent a little while looking and I can’t find a cite but this has come up before. Not **Evil C** and the squick thing but the hijack about posting about stuff that is also mentioned on the snark board. As I recall, the rule was that so long as there were no links to the snark board, the discussion was fine. This has apparently changed. Now **inkleberry** did make a sorta kinda reference to getting help which I suppose violated the spirit of the rule but the original thread closure was silly and the hijack of this thread was a stupid thing to do if you hate the other place. Now even more people know about it. Of course now I’m hijacking too which is something that I hate so I will weigh in with my opinion on **Evil Captor** ’s posting habits: I don’t give a shit either way. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2005, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/231 "2005-11-21T10:20:13Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Don’t worry. The fact that no one has cited any examples of my “prolific” and “constant” complaining (though I did appreciate **TVeblen** ’s mention of my eloquence) is pretty much proof-positive that it was a baseless accusation. **This Year’s Model** has clearly had it in for me since I chimed into some threads complaining about baseless thread closures - he even posted in one of them that people were just complaining because they hate him personally. Boy’s got a persecution complex you can see from the space shuttle. > > As for **Arnold** , I’m not sure why he cares so much about the snark board. **Arnold** , I remind you that everyone here is potentially a snark board user - were I actually secretly plotting against the SDMB from over there, I obviously wouldn’t have signed _any_ of my posts there. > > And as has been pretty conclusively demonstrated - despite your _mistaken_ attempt to implicate me for it - I’ve never acted on the suggestions of anyone else in posting here. > > But anyway, **Xploder** , I appreciate your excellent demonstration of **Arnold** ’s having violated his very own interpretation of the rules (an interpretation far narrower than any that has been used in the past, of course) - but it’s become pretty clear that **Arnold** doesn’t care what I’ve actually said or done anyway; reality does not seem to impinge very heavily upon his world. Wanna make a bet on whether or not he gets a warning? My vote goes with no since he’s an ex-admin. Then again, not saying a damn thing about any of this crap is really making TPTB look even more like complete tools and idiots. If they’re gonna have a rule then it needs to be enforced equally among all members whether ex-admin, ex-mod or whatever. This ignoring of the subject just pisses people off to no end and tends to escalate the matter. I have to admit that this is the first time I’ve seen a mod just make shit up and then stick fingers in their ears while ignoring any and all requests for a cite. Pretty childish. Makes you wonder how they became a mod in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2005, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/232 "2005-11-21T15:25:07Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > \ If they’re gonna have a rule then it needs to be enforced equally among all members whether ex-admin, ex-mod or whatever. This ignoring of the subject just pisses people off to no end and tends to escalate the matter. > > I have to admit that this is the first time I’ve seen a mod just make shit up and then stick fingers in their ears while ignoring any and all requests for a cite. Pretty childish. Makes you wonder how they became a mod in the first place. Mods/admins have told us in the past that some rules (rules regarding closing/moving/deleting threads) are enforced subjectively and arbitrarily; it’s not too far a leap from that to other rules, is it? I’m not complaining, just saying. I don’t much care since it doesn’t affect me hardly at all, but it is good to know that there _won’t_ be even-handed treatment, so I’m not expecting it. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2005, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/233 "2005-11-21T16:36:27Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > Wanna make a bet on whether or not he gets a warning? My vote goes with no since he’s an ex-admin. Then again, not saying a damn thing about any of this crap is really making TPTB look even more like complete tools and idiots. If they’re gonna have a rule then it needs to be enforced equally among all members whether ex-admin, ex-mod or whatever. This ignoring of the subject just pisses people off to no end and tends to escalate the matter. > > I have to admit that this is the first time I’ve seen a mod just make shit up and then stick fingers in their ears while ignoring any and all requests for a cite. Pretty childish. Makes you wonder how they became a mod in the first place. I don’t personally care one way or another about whether the rules are enforced “evenly” - I stopped discussing the matter with **Arnold** because _I_ didn’t want to break the rule. Whether they’re enforcing things perfectly fairly or not (and that’s a pretty high standard for any organization, online or in real life) is irrelevant as far as maintaining my posting privileges goes. The one thing I’m not real pleased about is the out-and-out making shit up the mods have been doing in this thread in describing me. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/234 "2005-11-21T17:46:35Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > I don’t personally care one way or another about whether the rules are enforced “evenly” - I stopped discussing the matter with **Arnold** because _I_ didn’t want to break the rule. Whether they’re enforcing things perfectly fairly or not (and that’s a pretty high standard for any organization, online or in real life) is irrelevant as far as maintaining my posting privileges goes. > > The one thing I’m not real pleased about is the out-and-out making shit up the mods have been doing in this thread in describing me. I understand that but I, for one, would prefer that if they’re gonna pretend to be even handed then they should at least attempt to enforce the rules evenly. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/235 "2005-11-21T18:07:15Z")
There’s so much badness going on here in every direction that it makes my head hurt. Enough. Don’t drag shit from one board to the other, period. I don’t care who you are, DON’T DO IT. We can’t control you taking SDMB fights elsewhere, but we can and should do something here. I’m closing this thread. TubaDiva [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510.md?page=11)