# Did you guys know that Evil Captor likes bondage? With bonus fuck-off for Miller! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2005, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510 "2005-11-17T17:31:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/141 "2005-11-18T19:32:46Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > Then you missed the main point. YB was turned on by LITTLE girls. Not grown up ones. There would be no point in Alba stripping down to get whipped since his main turn-on is very young girls. The only reason that I can think of for her to strip down is because males (like me, I admit) would love to see her nude. Just not while being whipped (like Evil Captor). > > Get it? I don’t remember YB being exclusivily a peidofile. Didn’t he have the heads on the walls? Or was that Frodo. (I don’t remember teh movie that well) ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/142 "2005-11-18T19:42:03Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > Then you missed the main point. YB was turned on by LITTLE girls. Not grown up ones. There would be no point in Alba stripping down to get whipped since his main turn-on is very young girls. The only reason that I can think of for her to strip down is because males (like me, I admit) would love to see her nude. Just not while being whipped (like Evil Captor). > > Get it? IMO All our interpretations on whether she should have been naked during the whipping scene are irrelevant. In the original comic drawn by Frank Miller, was the character naked during the scene? If so, then considering the faithfulness to the original material in the rest of the film (Miller even got a credit as co-director just because so many of the shots were perfect reproductions of his panels), Alba should have been naked during the scene. She also should have stripped during the stripping scene. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/143 "2005-11-18T19:47:49Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > I don’t remember YB being exclusivily a peidofile. Didn’t he have the heads on the walls? Or was that Frodo. (I don’t remember teh movie that well) It was Frodo. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/144 "2005-11-18T19:48:07Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > I don’t remember YB being exclusivily a peidofile. Didn’t he have the heads on the walls? Or was that Frodo. (I don’t remember teh movie that well) Yeah, I had to think for a sec too but it was Frodo that was the head-keeper. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/145 "2005-11-18T19:51:49Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > IMO All our interpretations on whether she should have been naked during the whipping scene are irrelevant. In the original comic drawn by Frank Miller, was the character naked during the scene? If so, then considering the faithfulness to the original material in the rest of the film (Miller even got a credit as co-director just because so many of the shots were perfect reproductions of his panels), Alba should have been naked during the scene. She also should have stripped during the stripping scene. Beats me on the comic as I can’t find it but I will agree that if she was naked in the comic then she should also have been naked in the film. I would have liked to see her strip during the stripper scene but then again, I’m a guy so that’s kind of self-evident. As for **Evil Captor** , I could give a shit less what or where he posts if it wasn’t for the comments regarding rape and whatnot. Being that the wife and I enjoy bondage to some extent, I have no problem per se with it but wanting to see someone get raped is extremely creepy. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/146 "2005-11-18T19:55:24Z")
This is not about liking or not liking EC nor is it about getting “squicked” out nor is it about lifestyle choices. For me the issue is it gets tiresome seeing threads in CS about cute fluffy bunnies getting constant bondage references. I think EC should do what he wants on the board and off as long as he stays within the rules. I am not suggesting that he has broken any rules nor that there is anything wrong with BDSM. All I am saying is time and place brother. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/147 "2005-11-18T20:24:44Z")
What’s with all these posts claiming that **Evil Captor** gets off on rape scenes. For some reason **Excalibre** went to a lot of trouble to exhaustively detail **Evil Captor’s** posting habits. In all the posts he references, EC mentions rape once, in passing. **Evil Captor** is into bondage with some domination/slavegirl type fantasies. He is not into rape. Bondage ≠rape, even if it includes sub-dom imagery. I think people may be confused because EC talks a lot about bondage imagery in mainstream movies and TV. Bondage in movies and TV is going to be part of a storyline, and that storyline is generally going to involve things like kidnapping and such. Consensual bondage hardly exists in the mainstream media, although it’s less taboo than it used to be. Again, with some reluctance I have to write that I can relate. Bondage is a bit of a paraphilia for me (If I may use the charming parlance of the DSM-IV), and I grew up the pre-internet days. When I was a teen I used to watch a lot of crappy TV waiting for bondage scenes. When they came on I couldn’t give two farts for the story. Even when I was over eighteen, I used to have to walk eight miles, both ways, through the drifting snow just to buy my pronography. Not like you whippersnappers who just have to click on your mice and yet you constantly complain about how tough you have it but if you been around in my day you wouldn’t have lasted…what’s that? Oh right, the point. Anyway, all I’m saying is despite what you may think EC isn’t about rape. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/148 "2005-11-18T20:52:31Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who has generally supported my position in this and all the other threads and attempted threads about my bondage posting. I really appreciate the kind words, and also the people who stopped in to say that they just don’t care about my posts that reference bondage. It’s good to know these things. > > Second of all, I’d like to correct the impression that I’m into non-consensual sex. I’m not. I’m all about consensual. But a woman who’s consensually tied up while having sex, or who is consensually enjoying a rape fantasy is having consensual sex, no matter how that appeals to you. In fact, I am so into consensual that I get no enjoyment from sex if my partner isn’t enjoying it, too. That’s not a political or social statement, it’s my personal response. So all you who have been so worried about your girlfriends and daughters where I am concerned can rest easy, I wouldn’t enjoy any sex with them unless they were willing participants AND were having a good time. Unless THAT is what you were worrying about. Even then, you needn’t worry too much, because I’m not looking for new sex partners thankyewverymuch. > Now, I don’t have a problem with nonconsensual scenes in movies and TV shows because … they’re movies and TV shows. They’re not real. A pretend tied-up scene, or a pretend rape scene strikes me as being a dramatic presentation, and I feel very comfortably analyzing it for its sexual bondage content, because such content is there whether it’s openly acknowledged or not. (The Lifetime people are masterly in the way they work THAT particular double standard.) > > Just because you are reduced to a sobbing bundle by the sight of Tatum O’Neal being escorted down the middle of a busy airport in cuffs and shackles in the Lifetime classic, “Woman on the Run: The Bambi Bambenek Story,” doesn’t mean I’m not free to analyze it as a classic image of public bondage and humiliation, and to enjoy it as such. And frankly, so much bondage is so badly done in mainstream movies and on TV that you’re missing out if you don’t get some laughs out of it. Actually, that’s a reasonable reply. You _can_ date my sister - **but stay the hell away from my wife!** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/149 "2005-11-18T21:34:47Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > So we have a case where we can move in favor of those who wish to restrict the discussions of others. This is bullshit. No one is advocating restricting your posting. If you have the freedom to post something, others have a right to respond to it. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/150 "2005-11-18T21:39:29Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > What’s with all these posts claiming that **Evil Captor** gets off on rape scenes. For some reason **Excalibre** went to a lot of trouble to exhaustively detail **Evil Captor’s** posting habits. In all the posts he references, EC mentions rape once, in passing. I didn’t think to search for references to rape. He may well have mentioned it far more than that. I simply did a search on some items - that hardly constitutes “exhaustively detailing” it. It might be worth noting that **Evil Captor** ’s references to bondage mostly occur in Cafe Society. I’m not sure how often everyone posts there - if you’re mostly reading GD, then obviously you’re not going to run into many of his references. So those who were completely unaware probably simply haven’t seen his Cafe Society posts. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_of_the_Lake)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/151 "2005-11-18T21:41:03Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Nobody cares what you as a bondage fan thinks of anything. What did you as a person think? It was my same problem with Johanna or whatever her name was. “As a transvestite, here’s what I think of The New X-Men.” Wow, that’s relevant how? I disagree. I feel it _can_ be relevant and _can_ add to the discussion. I’m of the set that finds Evil Captor’s posts always interesting - because he is different from me. He looks at things differently and I enjoy getting that other view. A transvestite could also have a very unique view to contribute - though I don’t remember Johanna specifically. One of the things I like about this board is that there are so many people here so different from myself, with so many experiences - it’s really broadened my horizons. When I first came here I was more of a knee jerk reactor, now I tend to think about topics more - knowing that I’m going to get new and different opinions - points of view that I never would considered. I know people can get offended by posts that are sexual in a thread they feel shouldn’t be sexual, but I like to learn and think about things in new ways - therefore I’d prefer to keep this kind of information coming! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/152 "2005-11-18T21:41:17Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > This is bullshit. No one is advocating restricting your posting. If you have the freedom to post something, others have a right to respond to it. Period. This is worth pointing out again. I’m in no way advocating restrictions of his (or anyone else’s) posting privileges. That’s why I haven’t been reporting his posts. I’m simply responding to how he posts. You could view that as a request that he monitor his _own_ posting habits, but that’s not a restriction, as we all make judgments as to whether we’re posting something germane, interesting, etc. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/153 "2005-11-18T21:41:53Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > . . . Just because you are reduced to a sobbing bundle by the sight of Tatum O’Neal being escorted down the middle of a busy airport in cuffs and shackles in the Lifetime classic, “Woman on the Run: The Bambi Bambenek Story,” doesn’t mean I’m not free to analyze it as a classic image of public bondage and humiliation, and to enjoy it as such. . . . This is disgusting to me. If the image on the screen is presented as being about BDSM sex, like _Secretary_, then it doesn’t bother me at all that some people find it erotic. But if it’s about rape or physical abuse–not presented as erotic–then I think that it’s disgusting that you would use it for wank fodder. I acknowledge your right to do so, and to say so, but I claim my right to express my disgust. And I could wish that you would be more respectful of your fellow Dopers and choose not to drag your bloody knuckles into non-relevant threads, but I wouldn’t advocate for a change of rules to forbid it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/154 "2005-11-18T22:04:08Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > This is disgusting to me. > > If the image on the screen is presented as being about BDSM sex, like _Secretary_, then it doesn’t bother me at all that some people find it erotic. But if it’s about rape or physical abuse–not presented as erotic–then I think that it’s disgusting that you would use it for wank fodder. Yeah! You should be watching wholesome morally-affirming films, like _Starship Troopers_. When we see a man torn in half _it’s for a uplifting reason!_ Eh, I’m just bustin’ yer chops, lissener. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/155 "2005-11-18T22:06:24Z")
> [@](#): > > This is disgusting to me. I think you need to be less easily disgusted. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/156 "2005-11-18T22:09:59Z")
Goddamn people. Learn to live and let live. I don’t like the fact that I have to share space with people so malicious and intolerant towards human diversity and/or failure to live up to transient social standards like the ones that make up a huge segment of straight dope but I just try to avoid them. In fact I have put several dopers on my ignore list just because I didn’t like what I was becoming by acknowledging them. Just do the same. Ignore those you don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/157 "2005-11-18T22:14:13Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > It was my same problem with Johanna or whatever her name was. “As a transvestite, here’s what I think of The New X-Men.” I think you are thinking of the troll Kate6 and her obsession with transsexuality. Johanna goes a little overboard with her lesbian talk (IMO anyway), but she at least makes new threads about it instead of hijacking others. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/158 "2005-11-18T22:19:40Z")
> [@kimera](#): > > I think you are thinking of the troll Kate6 and her obsession with transsexuality. _His_ obsession. He was not transsexual. ---
**Author:** ![Ghanima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Ghanima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ghanima)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/159 "2005-11-18T22:41:45Z")
**lissener** , I think you’re not getting it. Just because someone gets off on watching a rape scene in a movie does not make them a rapist or a fan of rape itself. They know it is just a movie, and that the people involved are actors, and what they are doing turns them on. I’m pretty sure that if **EC** was walking through a dark alley and came upon a man attempting to rape a girl, he would try to help, not stop to jerk off. Do you see the distinction between fantasy and reality? And BTW, rape scenes or scene where it’s unclear whether sex is consensual were (I don’t know if they still are) very popular in Bollywood films. Does that make all Bollywood fans twisted perverts? Is it also your opinion that if you like to watch horror movies that makes you a sick disgusting wanna-be murderer? ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510/160 "2005-11-18T22:47:47Z")
I’m way too lazy to count beans and give accurate percentages, but when you see a fairly high level of support for a member who occasionally posts references to his BDSM fantasies and Compare it to last year’s pitting of [MSmith537](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=318085): Who was almost unanimously castrated and branded a misogynist. It does lead one to the conclusion that pre-feminist era humor is far less tolerable than ball and gag hijacks. Even though MSmith took his pitting in good stride, I suspect he would have gotten a better reception in that thread had be been pre-emptively attacked by the LJ Bitch Brigade. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-guys-know-that-evil-captor-likes-bondage-with-bonus-fuck-off-for-miller/331510.md?page=9)