# Did you know in 2016 how bad Trump really is? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 19, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346 "2020-10-19T19:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/121 "2020-10-21T16:55:05Z")
> **Summary** > > Parnas and Fruman may be shady but they are US citizens and haven’t been convicted of anything. Looks similar to what Hunter Biden was doing and they are possibly guilty of not registering as foreign agents. > > You linked to the minority Senate report which shows people who had meetings with Russians. It may be shady but there’s nothing there. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/122 "2020-10-21T17:46:51Z")
He is almost exactly what I would have imagined. But, I grossly underestimated the amount that the GOP was willing to put up with, especially with Pence waiting in the wings, and imagined that they would have pulled the plug on this disaster a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/123 "2020-10-22T07:39:11Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > Looks similar to what Hunter Biden was doing In what way? ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/124 "2020-10-22T10:36:54Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > In what way? Acting as a foreign agent without registering as a foreign agent. The same thing Paul Manafort went to prison for. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/125 "2020-10-22T15:40:10Z")
Paul Manafort went to prison for quite a long list of crimes, most notably money laundering, on the basis of a significant amount of evidence. The “evidence” that Hunter Biden was illegally acting as a foreign agent, however, is…to put it charitably… currently of suspect veracity. But I applaud your dedication to the narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/126 "2020-10-22T16:11:45Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > There’s no polite way to put this but that is a complete and total lie. Moderating: We do not call posters liers, not in this forum. Second, what he said, that Russians have financed disinformation campaigns seem totally justified by known facts. No warning for now. Moderating again: That plus the hijack plus your total lack of interest in facts that contradict your unattested assertions have changed my mind. This is now an official warning. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/127 "2020-10-22T16:14:57Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > In what way? > > Acting as a foreign agent without registering as a foreign agent. The same thing Paul Manafort went to prison for. That seems a bullshit comparison. Paul Manafort lobbied for foreign leaders in Washington. Hunter Biden was on the board of a private foreign corporation. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/128 "2020-10-22T16:37:55Z")
Also, here’s what Paul Manafort “went to prison” for (that is, was actually convicted of): Virginia: five counts of tax fraud, one count of failing to disclose his foreign bank accounts, and two counts of bank fraud. DC: One count of conspiracy to defraud the United States and one count of witness tampering (as per the agreed plea bargain). ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/129 "2020-10-22T17:18:08Z")
Soliciting investments from foreign entities is not the same thing as acting as their agent to advance their political interests in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/130 "2020-10-22T17:37:37Z")
If you told me in 2015 that I would have voted for Hillary in 2016 I would have laughed at you. But I voted for Hillary because I didn’t think she’d screw things up. I didn’t realize in 2016 how bad Trump really was, but I knew his administration would be bad enough that I didn’t want any part of it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/131 "2020-10-22T17:43:51Z")
I’ll be honest; I never imagined that Trump would cause hundreds of children to become orphans. (The administration is unable to identify the parents of 545 of the children separated from their parents at the border.) ---
**Author:** ![McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/132 "2020-10-22T17:47:32Z")
[quote=“Saintly\_Loser, post:116, topic:923346, full:true”] I’m not going to give him any points for having a lower body count than George W. Bush.[/quote] Ummm, but does he? There is over a QUARTER MILLION DEAD AMERICANS due to his COVID response. I’m pretty sure that’s more than what George W. was responsible for. I’m not saying no Americans would have died if he had he had a competent COVID response, but I would think the number would be well under 100k. MtM ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/133 "2020-10-22T18:20:18Z")
> **Summary** > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > The “evidence” that Hunter Biden was illegally acting as a foreign agent, however, is…to put it charitably… currently of suspect veracity. But I applaud your dedication to the narrative. > > “they traveled together to China on Air Force Two, where Hunter landed a $1.5 billion commitment from a government-controlled **Chinese bank** ” > > [Hunter biz partner details Joe Biden's China dealings: Goodwin](https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/) > > [Hunter Biden ex-business partner told 'don't mention Joe' in text](https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biden-ex-business-partner-told-dont-mention-joe-in-text/) ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/134 "2020-10-22T18:25:16Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’ll be honest; I never imagined that Trump would cause hundreds of children to become orphans. (The administration is unable to identify the parents of 545 of the children separated from their parents at the border.) Isn’t it likely that who brought them here were not their parents? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/135 "2020-10-22T18:27:50Z")
Thankfully, because President Trump wanted to hurt innocent asylum seekers, we don’t know. Trump is human garbage. And scrambling around incoherently trying to defend him isn’t a great look. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/136 "2020-10-22T18:27:59Z")
Doesn’t matter. Can they reunite whoever the children came to the border with? This is an absolute failure. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/137 "2020-10-22T18:31:09Z")
Doesn’t it get tiring to gullibly believe everything the RW media says, and then be proven wrong. nearly every time? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/138 "2020-10-22T18:32:35Z")
Not really, why do you think so? ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/139 "2020-10-22T18:50:47Z")
“…U.S. authorities claim that **human smugglers** like El Lobo (the wolf) are at the heart of the current border crisis because they have facilitated the travels of the 57,000 **unaccompanied immigrant children** who’ve been apprehended in South Texas since October.” > **[Who Is Smuggling Immigrant Children Across The Border?](https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/07/15/331477447/who-is-smuggling-immigrant-children-across-the-border)** > > Border authorities demonize coyotes as ruthless criminals who kidnap, rape and abandon their clients. But one smuggler says he treats his young clients well — which helps him get repeat business. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346/140 "2020-10-22T18:54:06Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Doesn’t it get tiring to gullibly believe everything the RW media says, and then be proven wrong. nearly every time? Example? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-in-2016-how-bad-trump-really-is/923346.md?page=8)