# Did You Know Shrek 2 Is a Vehicle for the Evil Transgendered Agenda? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897 "2005-02-25T16:55:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/1 "2005-02-25T16:55:22Z")
[http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2151&ncid=2151&e=1&u=/cpress/20050221/ca\_pr\_on\_en/film\_gay\_animation](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2151&ncid=2151&e=1&u=/cpress/20050221/ca_pr_on_en/film_gay_animation) > [@](#): > > TORONTO (CP) - The hit feature Shrek 2 joins the ranks of animated films to be “outed” by some Christian fundamentalists in the U.S., who charge that cross-dressing and transgender themes have made their way into the beloved kids’ movie and warn parents to beware. > > “Shrek 2 is billed as harmless entertainment but contains subtle sexual messages,” the [Traditional Values C]oalition says on its website of the movie, a popular DVD rental. The group describes itself as a grassroots inter-denominational lobby with more than 43,000 member churches. > > The article then proceeds to describe one of the characters, an “evil” bartender (voiced by Larry King) who is a male-to-female transgender in transition and who expresses a sexual desire for Prince Charming. > > In another identified scene, Shrek and Donkey need rescuing from a dungeon by Pinocchio and his nose, which is made to extend as an escape bridge by getting the wooden boy to lie about not wearing women’s underwear. Apparently “traditional values” don’t include compassion or a sense of proportion. And **do** include those more traditionally ascribed to Chicken Little. Sheesh! ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/2 "2005-02-25T16:58:01Z")
Not to mention the implication of Donkey on Dragon action at the end! That’s gotta be in Leviticus somewhere! ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/3 "2005-02-25T17:01:16Z")
Well, they can go stick it up their collective[Ashcrofts.](http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0224Ashcroft-ON.html) ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/4 "2005-02-25T17:01:26Z")
thou shalt not covet thy neighbours talking mule! ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/5 "2005-02-25T17:03:13Z")
I have no smart-ass comments like the rest of you (pity). Just…wow. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/6 "2005-02-25T17:07:40Z")
But they have no issue with Bugs dressing up as Brunhilde? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/7 "2005-02-25T17:12:12Z")
> [@TwistofFate](#): > > thou shalt not covet thy neighbours talking mule! That is, actually, part of the Tenth Commandment. And we all know what trouble Balaam got into listening to his talking donkey! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![swampbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampbear/32/467_2.png) [@swampbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampbear)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/8 "2005-02-25T17:13:14Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > But they have no issue with Bugs dressing up as Brunhilde? Not to mention him dressing up as a “bride” to marry Elmer Fudd. Or Bugs dressing as a female tasmanian devil. :eek: Bugs is a transgendered, cross-dressing, err… ummm… I think my head is gonna explode any second! ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/9 "2005-02-25T17:18:18Z")
> [@](#): > > …(voiced by Larry King)… Not in the UK version. He’s voiced by Jonothan Ross. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/10 "2005-02-25T17:21:04Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > Well, they can go stick it up their collective[Ashcrofts.](http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0224Ashcroft-ON.html) Thanks for that link. Lately I felt like I haven’t been getting enough surreal in my diet. ---
**Author:** ![Shade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/11 "2005-02-25T17:23:47Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I have no smart- **ass** comments like the rest of you (pity). Bolding mine. I can’t tell if that was deliberate or not. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/12 "2005-02-25T17:23:54Z")
> [@swampbear](#): > > Not to mention him dressing up as a “bride” to marry Elmer Fudd. Or Bugs dressing as a female tasmanian devil. > :eek: > > Bugs is a transgendered, cross-dressing, err… ummm… I think my head is gonna explode any second! Or relentless French stalking skunks for that matter. You’d think they’d at least take a swipe at M. Le Pew. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/13 "2005-02-25T17:26:59Z")
> [@Shade](#): > > Bolding mine. I can’t tell if that was deliberate or not. 😉 it was, You can’t beat the line from the first film “I was saving my ass” ---
**Author:** ![MinniePurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@MinniePurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MinniePurl)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/14 "2005-02-25T17:28:14Z")
Was the Ugly Stepsister supposed to be a transexual? I thought she was just supposed to be an unfortunately mannish, deep-voiced woman. Because she’s the UGLY stepsister. And I don’t think she was supposed to be “evil”, either–she was pretty neutral. And in [this PDF](http://www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/TVCSpecialRptTransgenders1234.PDF) from “Traditional Values”, they express horror that openly homosexual actors like Rupert Everett and Jennifer Saunders are allowed to work. (Among many other dobsinine statements.) Also… Jennifer Saunders? Openly lesbian? Since when? Does her husband know? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/15 "2005-02-25T17:37:27Z")
Ah. I haven’t seen Shrek 2, but now I will–I may have to purchase it–you know, do my part to keep evil alive and all… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/16 "2005-02-25T17:46:14Z")
> [@MinniePurl](#): > > Was the Ugly Stepsister supposed to be a transexual? I thought she was just supposed to be an unfortunately mannish, deep-voiced woman. Because she’s the UGLY stepsister. And I don’t think she was supposed to be “evil”, either–she was pretty neutral. Right on both counts. Ugly was a woman, and not IMO evil. > [@](#): > > Also… Jennifer Saunders? Openly lesbian? Since when? Does her husband know? She has a huge following among gays, and has always strongly supported civil and human rights causes. Nevermind that she’s been married for 20 years and has three kids, she’s clearly queer. People == dum. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/17 "2005-02-25T17:50:57Z")
On that same note, Dawn French is also not gay. Nor is Joanna Lumley. Nor Eddie Izzard. Ru Everett is still queer as a three pound note, however. And he could definitely make me bet for the other team. Mrowr. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/18 "2005-02-25T17:52:12Z")
Er, “bat” for the other team. Garcon! Coffee! ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/19 "2005-02-25T17:58:39Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Nor Eddie Izzard. He calls himself “A lesbian trapped in a man’s body” He’s also one of my fave funnymen. ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/20 "2005-02-25T18:42:27Z")
Of course, the ultimate moral of Shrek 2 is to be true to yourself, to embrace the fact that you will not fit the ideal fairy tale images you are bombarded with daily. Also, that ‘happily ever after’ does not mean ‘everything is perfect.’ A point of view, I don’t mind adding, which I sincerely hope my own children take to heart! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897.md?page=2)