# Did You Know Shrek 2 Is a Vehicle for the Evil Transgendered Agenda? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897 "2005-02-25T16:55:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/41 "2005-02-26T02:17:47Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > You’re I think the fifth anime fan to mention _Gravitation_ positively in something I’ve read, **Hamish**. Can you send me a link to somewhere where someone not deeply into anime such as I can read up on the story and see examples of the art in it? There used to be a fantastic site, but it seems to be gone now. This one has some [good pictures](http://www.niira.net/blue/main.htm) and [a bit about the characters](http://www.niira.net/blue/main.htm), though it’s very out-of-date and the style is a bit overwrought. It’s now available in any place that rents a lot of anime. ---
**Author:** ![bashere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bashere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bashere)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/42 "2005-02-26T02:26:26Z")
> [@Hamish](#): > > Seriously, he needs queer eye for the poriferan guy. You’ve been waiting for **years** to use that joke, haven’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/43 "2005-02-26T16:48:08Z")
> [@bashere](#): > > You’ve been waiting for **years** to use that joke, haven’t you? I didn’t even know what he looked like until about a week ago, after the whole religious right kerfuffle. No, I come up with stuff like this on the spur of the moment, frequently at inopportune moments like respectable dinners. I wish I was taking medication to blame it on. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/44 "2005-02-26T18:23:06Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > Since the actual MPAA rating for the movie was PG-13 for “some crude humor, a brief substance reference and some suggestive content,” Just PG. No 13. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/45 "2005-02-26T18:34:15Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Or relentless French stalking skunks for that matter. You’d think they’d at least take a swipe at M. Le Pew. Honey, Pepe le Pew is one of the toons that in the US are being played only late at night. Along with, among others, Speedy Gonzales. Apparently the Political Police has decided that Pepe is offensive to French (every French person I know loves him) and “Espiry” is offensive to us Hispanics. No mention has been made of Pepe’s perception problems. This is the same kind of people who are dubbing movies into “American Spanish” and “European Spanish” and who tried to get the copyrights on old Disney movies restarted by re-dubbing them. Apparently, for 40 years we had not been able to understand any characters in Jungle Book - makes you wonder why it was always such a huge success… /hijack ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/46 "2005-02-26T18:40:39Z")
> [@EmeraldGrue](#): > > Man, these folks could find transgender/homosexual subtexts in VeggieTales. 😉 It’s a small step from VeggieTales to FruitTales. You don’t even have to leave the produce department. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/47 "2005-02-26T20:26:46Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Honey, Pepe le Pew is one of the toons that in the US are being played only late at night. Along with, among others, Speedy Gonzales. > > Apparently the Political Police has decided that Pepe is offensive to French (every French person I know loves him) and “Espiry” is offensive to us Hispanics. No mention has been made of Pepe’s perception problems. > > This is the same kind of people who are dubbing movies into “American Spanish” and “European Spanish” and who tried to get the copyrights on old Disney movies restarted by re-dubbing them. Apparently, for 40 years we had not been able to understand any characters in Jungle Book - makes you wonder why it was always such a huge success… > > /hijack REDUBBING?! What in the…? Late… at… night? :eek: Outrage! Pepe le Pew and Speedy Gonzales were part of my childhood! (man. now I wanna go back in time with a truckload of tapes and tape the living crap out of every cartoon I ever loved. Anyone got a spare flux capacitator?) ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/48 "2005-02-26T20:31:06Z")
> [@mobo85](#): > > Just PG. No 13. Opps, good call. I must have been momentarily distracted by trying to remember what the “brief substance reference” was. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/49 "2005-02-26T22:08:36Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > Opps, good call. I must have been momentarily distracted by trying to remember what the “brief substance reference” was. During a parody of _Cops_, knights corner Puss in Boots and find a baggie of catnip. Puss pleads, “It isn’t mine!” **Lizardling** , you are confused. The “redubbing” referred to is that of Disney movies into Spanish. Speedy and Pepe still have the comical accents Mel Blanc originally gave them. ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_First_Time)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/50 "2005-02-26T23:34:54Z")
Terrifel has it right. The writers and animators deliberately put adult references and innuendo in Shrek I and II. They aren’t trying to be covert - it’s their way of appealing to all ages. The tykes like the talking animals, their parents enjoy the sly digs at the Disney empire and the double entendres. For anybody not to “get” that in about 2 seconds makes them dumber than a box of rocks. One belief I’ve read in Fundamentalist Christian parenting books is that once a child sees/hears something inappropriate it gets stuck in his head and there’s no getting it out. So parents are urged to go to great lengths not to allow their kids to see or even be aware of what they deem to be the wrong types of things. They are also taught that kids should be made to do whatever they are told without introspection. From that world view, it would make sense for a parent to think that if a child read about a kid who took off his clothes in a book, the child would feel compelled to take off his clothes too. ---
**Author:** ![violacrane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c57346/32.png) [@violacrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/violacrane)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897/51 "2005-02-27T16:16:18Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > Well…perhaps, then…you might care to have a look at…[THIS!](http://www.cnn.com/.element/img/1.0/sect/CNN/anchors_reporters/larry.king.jpg) > > Imagine that head, interviewing Nancy Reagan. > > Granted, not all photos of the man cast him in such an aggressively Nosferatu-like light, and in general he seems to be a reasonably well preserved guy. But still…that seems to be the publicity shot most in circulation right now. There’s a big ad for his show, featuring that picture, on the bus station next to my workplace. All it needs is a couple torches and a pile of human skulls to complete the look. > > Seriously, though, I would not have thought that the voice talent for the Ugly Stepsister character was so critical that it would require recasting for the UK release. There’s plenty of other characters in the movie voiced by relative unknowns that weren’t rerecorded, and I can’t see why the voice recasting was deemed necessary in that case, unless there was some strange contractual arrangement in place to give Jonathan Ross’ career a boost. Or perhaps the fundamentalists are right, and there’s more significance to the Ugly Stepsister character than is immediately apparent. It just seems odd, is all. Jonathon Ross is certainly easier on the eye. However his prominence, and of course influence, as a TV Film Critic was probably what swung it. Apparently, from [this](http://www.dailyinfo.co.uk/reviews/film/shrek2.htm) > [@](#): > > In one of the film’s many innovations, there are minor voice parts for local celebrities, so Kate Thornton plays the red carpet reporter voiced by Joan Rivers in the US version, and Jonathan Ross replaces chatshow host Larry King. Local celebs, heh, Jonathon Ross is very high profile in the UK but I bet I’m not the only one who’s heard of Joan Rivers and can’t think which celebrity “Kate” Kate Thornton is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-shrek-2-is-a-vehicle-for-the-evil-transgendered-agenda/291897.md?page=2)