# Did you know that God has only one requirement for a person to enter Heaven? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 13, 2005, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465 "2005-01-13T00:17:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/81 "2005-01-14T15:06:13Z")
I second **Zev** ’s appreciation that you returned, Ron, and would like to draw to your attention [my sister thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5718549#post5718549) to this one. (Despite the title, it’s not a parody, but an exploration of Jesus’s commandments on living out our faith, not duplicating but supplementing yours.) ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/82 "2005-01-14T15:07:20Z")
**AmazingGrace** , one of the finest human beings I know is no longer a Christian, nor is there the remotest chance he’ll return to being a Christian, barring significant brain damage. What do you believe will become of him in the afterlife? Also, you are aware, aren’t you, that you’re hardly the first evangelist to come here. Some of us have been at it for some time now. Respectfully, CJ ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/83 "2005-01-14T15:43:55Z")
[For your attention, AmazingGrace](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5718549#post5718549) Perhaps you need to expand your spiritual horizons. ---
**Author:** ![alimarx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@alimarx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alimarx)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/84 "2005-01-14T17:38:37Z")
> [@zev\_steinhardt](#): > > However, there is nothing that you have said here that would appeal to me, an Orthodox Jew, to make me believe anything you’ve said. I donno, > [@AmazingGrace](#): > > Good News! > > 1. [http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html](http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html) \<\< Free movies! (click link) was the kicker for me! Hey, it’s free, what the hay… ---
**Author:** ![Strainger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/strainger/32/244_2.png) [@Strainger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strainger)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/85 "2005-01-14T19:52:56Z")
> [@AmazingGrace](#): > > I can tell by your responses that you understood the message. > > You may have rejected the message a million times in the past but you can still change your eternal destiny right now by allowing God to save you through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ. > > The message will never change, but the message will change your eternal destiny if you allow Jesus to save you. > Ron Looks like a second drive-by. I doubt we’ll hear from him again. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/86 "2005-01-14T20:21:39Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > “For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves.” > > (Ephesians 2:8) > > Its not even your faith. > > God ain’t sending anyone to hell. The fact that we agree on this makes our disagreement about practically everything else positively trivial. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/87 "2005-01-14T20:47:55Z")
Did Larry Borgia post a picture of himself licking his cat yet…? No? Oh, well. Amazing Grace, (if you are still there) are you interested in having a discussion, or no? ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/88 "2005-01-14T21:10:52Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > The fact that we agree on this makes our disagreement about practically everything else positively trivial. **Lib** , could you please dig up the link to the thread where you and **Cervaise** (?) went back and forth regarding the existence of God. It was quite a while back and I can’t remember the thread topic, thought you might. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/89 "2005-01-14T21:17:09Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > **Lib** , could you please dig up the link to the thread where you and **Cervaise** (?) went back and forth regarding the existence of God. It was quite a while back and I can’t remember the thread topic, thought you might. > Thanks. I’ve gone back and forth with so many people that, although I admire Cervaise greatly, I can’t really pinpoint any particular one with him. But ordinarily, the question of God’s existence is an ontological one, so you might try to search on “ontological” in Great Debates, listed by posts. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/90 "2005-01-14T21:21:29Z")
Although I’m an atheist, I fully appreciate the intelligent and courteous contributions of posters such as zev\_steinhardt and Polycarp. By contrast AmazingGrace is clearly a telemarketer. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/91 "2005-01-14T21:26:26Z")
> [@AmazingGrace](#): > > I can tell by your responses that you understood the message. > > You may have rejected the message a million times in the past but you can still change your eternal destiny right now by allowing God to save you through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ. > > The message will never change, but the message will change your eternal destiny if you allow Jesus to save you. > Ron That is unbelievably disingenuous and nonresponsive. If Jesus had preached like you, He would have ridden through villages on a chariot, tossing out stones with messages on them. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/92 "2005-01-14T21:52:50Z")
Found it. [Here is Cervaise.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2910025#poststop) [Libs response.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=2911983&postcount=92) Pretty good stuff. The whole thread is worth reading again. I had hoped that **Amazing Grace** would settle down into ‘talk’ mode, but it doesn’t seem likely. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/93 "2005-01-14T22:06:13Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > Did Larry Borgia post a picture of himself licking his cat yet…? No? Oh, well. > > Amazing Grace, (if you are still there) are you interested in having a discussion, or no? Huh. He did come back. And Zoe is right here. ::lick:: That wasn’t as bad as I thought. (Sorry I don’t own a camera, so you’ll just have to take my word for it.) ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/94 "2005-01-14T22:18:15Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > The fact that we agree on this makes our disagreement about practically everything else positively trivial. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![AmazingGrace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@AmazingGrace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AmazingGrace)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/95 "2005-01-14T22:52:11Z")
When the rapture of the true Christians happens let that be a sign that the Gospel I preach is true and then allow God to save you by turning to Him in the name of the Lord Jesus and pray the sinners prayer. If I were you I wouldn’t wait until after the rapture because you may die before the rapture takes place. Rapture = When God supernaturally brings all the Christians on earth to Heaven before the 7 year tribulation begins to happen on earth. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 7 year tribulation found in Daniel 9:24-27 ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/96 "2005-01-14T23:19:18Z")
More preaching, no discussion. Par for the course. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/97 "2005-01-14T23:41:20Z")
**Grace,** do you have anything to say about this that does **not** involve a simple appeal to Scriptural authority? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/98 "2005-01-15T00:06:31Z")
**AmazingGrace** , if you’re not actually going to engage anyone here in proper dialogue, do you mind if we just skip to the bit where you shake the dust off your feet? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/99 "2005-01-15T00:26:43Z")
> [@AmazingGrace](#): > > When the rapture of the true Christians happens let that be a sign that the Gospel I preach is true and then allow God to save you by turning to Him in the name of the Lord Jesus and pray the sinners prayer. > > If I were you I wouldn’t wait until after the rapture because you may die before the rapture takes place. > > Rapture = When God supernaturally brings all the Christians on earth to Heaven before the 7 year tribulation begins to happen on earth. > > 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: > > 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. > > 7 year tribulation found in Daniel 9:24-27 Except the so-called “rapture” is a heretical belief, manufacture by American evangelists in the 70’s, & has no legitimate part of Xian Theology. Even I know that! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465/100 "2005-01-15T00:28:49Z")
Does anybody else here thing that **Amazing Grace** is not an actual person? The OP and subsequent “responses” have all the hallmarks of being form messages that are either being generated and posted by a 'bot, or of being the “work” of some clerical type who clicks “reply” and sends a pre-written message to the appropriate forum. Give it up guys, you’re trying to argue with either a machine or some faceless organization. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-you-know-that-god-has-only-one-requirement-for-a-person-to-enter-heaven/284465.md?page=6)