Differences between fascism and socialism/communism

There are really only two differences between fascism and communism: First, one is nationalist, the other is internationalist. Nationalist Communist dictatorships are more appropriately called fascist, regardless of what they call themselves. That’s why it was called national socialism.

The other difference is that one controls the economy by ordering around the corporations. The other does so my trying to run the industries themselves.

Communism has failed miserably everywhere. Today’s communist countries, at least the ones that aren’t basket cases, have transitioned to what is essentially fascism.

As far as whether it’s right or left, that depends on what it’s being compared to. Compared to Communism, fascism is right-wing. Compared to contemporary American liberalism, it’s left-wing.

:confused: WTF?!

There’s another difference. Communism has an ideology, based on the works of Marx, Engel, etc. Fascism has no academic pedigree at all. There’s no philosophy there, merely the audacity to seize power and wield it for nationalist goals.

Of course, countries that call themselves Communist depart considerably from Marx’s philosophical principles, so this is more of a theoretical distinction than a practical one.

Well, there is some. Excerpts from a review by the late conservative Catholic intellectual John J. Reilly (I’d link to the whole thing, but his website went dark after he died) of Fascism: A History, by Roger Eatwell:

Hm. Well, come to think of it, the exercise of the will is all the meaning that life can ever have. Not that that necessarily implies fascism; it is probably compatible with existentialism.

There are more than two differences, as a cursory look at this thread should show.

First, there have only ever been ‘nationalist’ communist countries; while it has an international appeal and can thus be easily exported and in theory strives for a classless, nation less society, it has led no more to the elimination of countries than it has to the elimination of classes. During the Cold War the communist world was not a monolithic entity, and communist nations spent a good deal of time fighting each other. See the Sino-Soviet schism in general and the Sino-Soviet border conflict in particular, the Sino-Vietnamese War, and the Cambodian-Vietnamese War. Second, national socialism (NSDAP, the Nazis) was not actually socialist any more than the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) was democratic or a republic, or the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is democratic or a republic. There really ought to be a word for referring to the Nazis as socialists.

By the definition your trying to give above, all communist countries have always been fascist.

Or, even with socialism, or Objectivism, or any system of thought that does not define the meaning of life in terms of service to God or something similar. Even Buddhism, perhaps. It all depends on the content of the will.

Doesn’t Objectivism define the meaning of life as perpetuation of life, as only life makes values possible?

American liberalism is nationalist and pro-social democracy, although falling well short of socialism. Move it a distance further to the left and you get national socialism.

:rolleyes:

Like if that virtually non veiled insult to liberals does not make your posts look more ridiculous here and elsewhere.

Liberals want more central control. Conservatives want less. On the American political spectrum, that puts the totalitarian ideologies to the far left. To the far right is anarchy.

Fascism is also a revolutionary ideology. American conservatism is the exact opposite of revolutionary.

Avoidance of what you just affirmed with no shame whatsoever.

Good thing I did not refer to it when dealing with the right wing in Germany, once again, like in the other treads in elections you do depend on very peculiar definitions to make your points, only that in this case you really turned up to the 11th Godwin one.

In what ways is fascism right wing? In its centralized control of the economy? In its massive expansion of social welfare programs? In its massive public works programs?

Fascism and communism and socialism all derive from the same family tree,and most fascists were former socialists themselves.

Hey, if you want to tell all that you are not reading the big cite from a historian I made before be my guest. (At the bottom there are other links to many others that also report how people that attempt to paint liberals as fascists are really clueless and ignorant of history.)

And that does not show much of anything regarding your sorry accusation about the liberals in America.

In Europe everyone knows that one can not really call Hitler an extreme conservative like the American ones, but it is even more clear that calling him liberal or socialist is really dumb.

I can agree with that. that’s why no one should ever call fascism right-wing. Yet liberals do it, because if they don’t, then there’s no “evil” right-wing extremist ideology to counter what happened when socialism went too far.

Thank you for your 100% avoidance of what you are claiming here, we are dealing with your baseless claim that liberals are like fascists, do you take it back?

And please do catch up, the main point I made was it was really silly to clean the hands of the right wingers in Europe. They did not disappear or remained neutral once the fascists came to power.

I never made the claim to begin with. I said that fascism was to the left of American liberalism, which is saying pretty directly that liberals are not fascists.

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Pro-tip adaher, that would barely work if you were talking about classical liberalism, American Liberals **are **the left wing. But keep digging, you are welcome to do that.

And conservatives are the right wing. If you had said that fascism was to the right of conservatism, then that would not imply that conservatives are fascists either.

Somehow I suspect you would object to ZIP codes as “central control.”

Was once. Not any more.

Your basic semantic mistake is that you seem to not be aware of what location or percentages are, a good number of European conservatives were also fascists, When you attempt to paint even the left wing that is to the left :rolleyes: of the **American **Liberals as fascists you are indeed digging yourself deeper.