# Different styles of roundabouts **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [June 21, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569 "2022-06-21T17:52:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/1 "2022-06-21T17:52:25Z")
I’ve seen mention here and there about continental roundabouts and British roundabouts. Continental meaning those in Europe, of course. US roundabouts are apparently very similar to continental. Now I’m very familiar with US roundabouts, but I’m not sure what the differences are between those and British roundabouts. Does anyone have any idea what they are? ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/2 "2022-06-21T17:56:51Z")
The only difference that I am aware of is that in the U.S. and in the U.K. the vehicle in the roundabout has the right of way. If you are pulling into a roundabout and someone is coming, you have to stop and wait for them. Continental roundabouts, or at least those in France, are backwards from that. The vehicle entering the roundabout has the right of way. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/3 "2022-06-21T17:59:55Z")
One thing of course for UK & Irish roundabouts is you travel clockwise, having entered from the left lane. Another fairly unique roundabout is the “Magic Roundabout” in Swindon (there are a few others elsewhere) that is a swirl of smaller roundabouts which themselves can each be navigated (one to another) both counter- (anti) or clockwise. [Magic Roundabout on Google Maps](https://www.google.com/maps/@51.562865,-1.771371,219m/data=!3m1!1e3) ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/4 "2022-06-21T18:22:27Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > Continental roundabouts, or at least those in France, are backwards from that. The vehicle entering the roundabout has the right of way. That’s not my experience in any part of Europe. Here’s a roundabout in the South of France with a yield sign at the entrance. [Google Maps](https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3851425,5.2177416,3a,75y,69.5h,101.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKBRoHvgNEmE99mzpOI6f0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) ---
**Author:** ![Schnitte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/schnitte/32/9033_2.png) [@Schnitte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schnitte)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/5 "2022-06-21T19:48:04Z")
I second that from a German perspective. Here, as in the US, the cars in the roundabout have the right of way over those entering. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/6 "2022-06-21T20:06:17Z")
Thirded, from an Israeli perspective. In theory, the moment you enter a roundabout you can drive around in a circle all day long, and nobody can stop you. ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/7 "2022-06-21T20:12:56Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > One thing of course for UK & Irish roundabouts is you travel clockwise, having entered from the left lane. Oddly, though, unlike other physics, based on my experience in Australia and New Zealand, it’s not counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/8 "2022-06-21T20:33:13Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > Continental roundabouts, or at least those in France, are backwards from that. The vehicle entering the roundabout has the right of way. > [@naita](#): > > That’s not my experience in any part of Europe. Here’s a roundabout in the South of France with a yield sign at the entrance. I believe France changed, and it _used_ to be that cars entering have priority. Or perhaps there were always both types, I’m not sure. Their helicopter rotors rotate a different way to everyone else, so what can you expect? I’m not sure if the “old” type still exist in significant numbers, I haven’t driven there in many years. But the notorious _Arc de Triomphe_ roundabout is still like that. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/FXfGZF2-sUU/maxresdefault.jpg "Arc de Triomphe - Timelapse of Worlds worst roundabout and traffic - Paris [4K]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXfGZF2-sUU) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/9 "2022-06-21T20:58:18Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I believe France changed, and it _used_ to be that cars entering have priority. Or perhaps there were always both types, I’m not sure Or maybe French drivers are just dicks. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/10 "2022-06-21T21:02:01Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > In theory, the moment you enter a roundabout you can drive around in a circle all day long, and nobody can stop you. This documentary footage illustrates that it is true in England, as well. 😉 [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/iAgX6qlJEMc/hqdefault.jpg "European Vacation - Roundabout") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgX6qlJEMc) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/11 "2022-06-21T21:13:29Z")
One thing I noticed recently while driving in Southern Spain is that the road markings leading up to roundabouts were different from what we have in the UK. If you have a two-lane carriageway approaching a roundabout in the UK, there will normally be arrows painted on the road, indicating which lane you should occupy, depending on your intended exit direction from the roundabout. Example here: [Google Maps](https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9532719,-1.4031601,89a,35y,219.3h,47.64t/data=!3m1!1e3) In Spain, the convention appears to be that the arrows merely indicate your direction of circulation upon the roundabout - that is, they all point to the right. Example here: [Google Maps](https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6072434,-0.9918073,50a,35y,181.81h,45.07t/data=!3m1!1e3) ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/12 "2022-06-21T21:18:17Z")
I rented a car in Bucharest, Romania in 1999 and my recollection of driving in a roundabout was the cars trying to enter would slowly creep into the roundabout till a vehicle in the roundabout had to slow down to avoid colliding and so kind of gave way / yielded and then those cars would take their turn and so forth. (I was there for the Solar Eclipse and decided by the day it happened that I was not going to be driving by myself outside the city and joined up with some college guys who also spoke English and we ended up flying (in a taxi) outside the increasing clouds down some road towards Constanta at 120 kph. But that’s another story.) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/13 "2022-06-21T21:22:34Z")
It was formerly the case that French roundabouts gave priority to the driver entering, and cars already in the roundabout had to yield. They did not choose this deliberately; it’s a side effect of the more general rule, in France and elsewhere, where you yield to cars on the right except where otherwise marked. This is one of the more counter intuitive rules in European driving for Americans trying to adapt; imagine you’re going along what feels like a main road, and you see there’s a side road ahead, meeting the road you’re on, connecting in from the right. In the States, a car entering from that side road waits for cars passing on the main road. But in France, you on the main road have to yield to that car entering from the right side (unless, again, that side road is explicitly posted with yield markers). Now if you imagine yourself transiting a traffic circle, a car entering ahead of you is on your right. So, by rule, that car has priority. The French accepted this, in that peculiarly French way where they enforce consistency when it doesn’t actually make sense. The rest of Europe recognized the sensible exception and gave cars in the circle the right of way. Eventually, the French were dragged grumbling into seeing reason, and they started changing the laws. But there are still a few places where the old rule governs, most famously the traffic circle surrounding the Arc de Triomphe. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/14 "2022-06-21T21:24:25Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > This documentary footage illustrates that it is true in England, as well. The fact that Americans find this at all funny is really just painfully parochial. The way foreigners do things is strange, confusingly hilarious, and obviously inferior, right? In my experience of driving in both countries for many years, America has far more terrible drivers and poorly designed junctions. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/15 "2022-06-21T21:27:30Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > The way foreigners do things is strange, confusingly hilarious, and obviously inferior, right? Well, as an American, I don’t take it that way – the Chevy Chase character, Clark Griswold, is consistently portrayed as a clueless idiot, and this is demonstrated by the fact that he can’t figure out how to get out of a roundabout. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/16 "2022-06-21T21:35:54Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > the Chevy Chase character, Clark Griswold, is consistently portrayed as a clueless idiot Fair point, but I read it as a little of both. ---
**Author:** ![Heracles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heracles/32/487_2.png) [@Heracles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heracles)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/17 "2022-06-21T21:51:56Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I believe France changed, and it _used_ to be that cars entering have priority. Or perhaps there were always both types, I’m not sure. Their helicopter rotors rotate a different way to everyone else, so what can you expect? > > I’m not sure if the “old” type still exist in significant numbers, I haven’t driven there in many years. But the notorious _Arc de Triomphe_ roundabout is still like that. France has both types. There are [carrefours giratoires](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrefour_giratoire) with the “yield before entering” rule, identified by [this panel](https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Panneau_de_type_AB25); and there are traditional [ronds-points](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rond-point_(place_ronde)) like _l’Arc de Triomphe_ in the video above. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/18 "2022-06-21T21:54:27Z")
> [@Heracles](#): > > France has both types The goole translation of that first link is super-helpful: > In the field of road traffic in France, **the roundabout, unlike the roundabout** , gives priority to vehicles arriving in the ring, following the rule of priority on the right. ---
**Author:** ![jjakucyk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3d9bf3/32.png) [@jjakucyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjakucyk)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/19 "2022-06-21T22:43:37Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > It was formerly the case that French roundabouts gave priority to the driver entering, and cars already in the roundabout had to yield. They did not choose this deliberately; it’s a side effect of the more general rule, in France and elsewhere, where you yield to cars on the right except where otherwise marked. > > … The rest of Europe recognized the sensible exception and gave cars in the circle the right of way. > > Eventually, the French were dragged grumbling into seeing reason, and they started changing the laws. But there are still a few places where the old rule governs… This is actually the case in America as well. Old style rotaries and traffic circles\*, most commonly found in New England and built in the pre-WWII era were yield to the right. When they realized it caused gridlock (circlelock?) they changed the yield rule. Same for merge lanes onto highways, or slip roads at intersections. Yield to the right was the standard from a century ago, but since it works just about nowhere, the only instance remains (that I can think of) is at uncontrolled intersections or when two or more vehicles arrive at a 4-way stop at the same time. In that case it’s advantageous to yield to the right because [it clears the intersection faster](https://drivinginstructorblog.com/why-do-we-yield-to-the-right/) (something I’ll admit I never thought about or realized). \*Many of those old rotaries and traffic circles may have changed their rules of right-of-way, but in low-traffic residential areas I think there’s a few with the old rules still in place. Many retain their original poor geometries (very large diameter circle, high speeds, poor sight lines, fast entry roads without deflection), so they are usually specifically distinguished from “modern roundabouts” that utilize British and European models and started being installed here in the 1990s. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569/20 "2022-06-21T23:31:53Z")
OP here. It’s not the direction of travel and not who yields at the approaches. It’s something more subtle than those obvious things. I tried googling it before posting this and found a something that might be it (can’t find the page anymore). It was that approaches to English roundabouts split into two or more lanes just before entering the circle, even though there weren’t lanes in the circle itself. I don’t think this is the difference because it’d only be on the larger roundabouts, the one’s large enough for multiple lanes in the US. And most roundabouts seem to be single laners. As far as the rule about who yields, when rotaries (really big traffic circles) were first built in the 1930s, they did not have any control signage about who had right-of-way. In fact, the Yield Sign had not even been invented yet. But when they did put up control signage (Yield Sign invented about 1950), they usually gave priority to two approaches and traffic in the circle had to yield to them. I think somewhere in Eastern Europe (Serbia?) has a yield to entering traffic rule, but I haven’t heard of any other country having that rule. Well except for old circles that are grandfathered in, such as the Place Charles de Gaulle (formerly Place de l’Étoile, at the Arc de Triomphe). Anyway, circular intersections fell out of favor in the 1950s in North America because of the gridlock that can happen due to the Yield-to-incoming-traffic rule. Then the modern roundabout was invented in 1966 in England, but they were still out of favor in the US. France seemed to have gone crazy for them starting in the 80s, but none were built in the US until 1990. And they didn’t start to get built in significant numbers until about 2003-4. So Europe has a 30-year or more head start. Anyway, as I said, it’s not the Yield rule, it’s something more subtle. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/different-styles-of-roundabouts/966569.md?page=2)