# Digital art creator algorithm website **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** arts-crafts, ai\ **Created:** [April 1, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081 "2022-04-01T01:26:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/341 "2022-05-02T01:16:55Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > Here is some “Dall-E mini” (~2.4 million images?) ghost rising from a grave, leather art: In this case, those aren’t remotely like the kind of leather art I meant. > **[Japanese Oni Leather Wallet](https://www.custommade.com/japanese-oni-leather-wallet/by/katiefiorito/)** > > Hand tooled Japanese Oni demon with contrasting bridle leather interior. Hand stitched, 8 poeckets total with bill slot. Hand stitched and designed Nightcafe got it right, not DALL-E. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/342 "2022-05-02T03:27:52Z")
I played with the Dall-E Mini a little and found it faring worse than the NightCafe AI (which I know isn’t actually by them) in understanding some stuff I wanted. One of the first NC images I ever tried was “A Toilet Made of Meat” which gave me: [![](https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/1xjIOydIfDdZlw6XrGH9/1xjIOydIfDdZlw6XrGH9.jpg) ](https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/1xjIOydIfDdZlw6XrGH9/1xjIOydIfDdZlw6XrGH9.jpg) …wheras Dall-E gave me: [![](https://i.imgur.com/yo8GNQa.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/yo8GNQa.jpg) Which is a better looking _toilet_ but lacks the “made of meat” concept. Likewise, the execution for “16th Century Pinball Machine” from NC was sort of a mess… [![](https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/qCvD8gDoJm1CGrLsOsrS/qCvD8gDoJm1CGrLsOsrS.jpg) ](https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/qCvD8gDoJm1CGrLsOsrS/qCvD8gDoJm1CGrLsOsrS.jpg) …but it understood what I wanted better than Dall-E which just gave me a straight up pinball machine: [![](https://i.imgur.com/K5EQ5bu.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/K5EQ5bu.jpg) (I know Dall-E gives multiple returns but am actually picking its best result) I won’t bother to repost NC’s “Wrapping Paper for Mummies” but thought it was a lot more evocative than Dall-E’s offering: [![](https://i.imgur.com/Uyj2KIt.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/Uyj2KIt.jpg) But, amusingly, both failed to understand what I wanted from “Man-of-War Firing A Broadside” and both gave me old timey paintings of a firing soldier: [![](https://i.imgur.com/bYTi3uI.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/bYTi3uI.jpg) With my very limited playing around, Dall-E seems better at creating realistic images of things but worse at understanding concepts. I could be wrong though since my sample size it just the couple of attempts. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/343 "2022-05-02T03:38:09Z")
Going to call NightCafe the winner as well for Eldritch Cheerleader Car-Wash [![](https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/LZBFkVzbLZzvmCXxqEKE/LZBFkVzbLZzvmCXxqEKE.jpg) ](https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/LZBFkVzbLZzvmCXxqEKE/LZBFkVzbLZzvmCXxqEKE.jpg) [![](https://i.imgur.com/KgZt6ab.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/KgZt6ab.jpg) [![](https://i.imgur.com/QtMHMRe.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/QtMHMRe.jpg) (the other Dall-E results were just cars with varying degrees of fur but no cheerleaders, eldritch or otherwise) On the other hand, Dall-E nailed “Bird on a Rock”, creating a much more real looking bird sitting on a rock than NightCafe could ever spit out. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/344 "2022-05-02T04:17:22Z")
I am especially happy with this Yokai Parade image. I took this photo of people in India [![](https://i.imgur.com/ic2ZP2V.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/ic2ZP2V.jpg) and cropped, stretched, and blurred it to make this start image. [![](https://i.imgur.com/GTeYGwq.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/GTeYGwq.jpg) I then ran it with increased accuracy and the highest available resolution (which they call medium for some reason) at the cost of 6 credits and upsampled it to the max for another 3 credits, and got this. [![](https://i.imgur.com/0RfkGqJ.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/0RfkGqJ.jpg) Too bad you can’t embed a live panorama here like you can with Facebook, but here it is as a video clip (made by me, _ **not** _ the lousy video option that they have). [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/u8JruTBnE3M/maxresdefault.jpg "May 2, 2022") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8JruTBnE3M) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/345 "2022-05-02T04:51:24Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > With my very limited playing around, Dall-E seems better at creating realistic images of things but worse at understanding concepts. I could be wrong though since my sample size it just the couple of attempts. I just tried the mini version (was it ever linked here? I googled for it) and output almost entirelu useless stuff for my tries. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/346 "2022-05-02T04:58:02Z")
Yeah, I was using the mini as well. Tried to be clear about that to start but then just called it Dall-E after that. Maybe the full version is better but the mini wasn’t impressive for understanding things. It did so a good job of just drawing simple concepts (“A chair”, “A tree on a hill”, etc) ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/347 "2022-05-02T09:31:25Z")
This is what I meant by DALL-E mini: > **[DALL·E mini by craiyon.com on Hugging Face](https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini)** > > Discover amazing ML apps made by the community To be clear, it is a “mini” model created only to show how DALL-E operates, with a simplified architecture and trained on two orders of magnitudes fewer images than DALL-E 2; I’m more confident the latter understands different styles of “leather art”. It is not surprising that the mini model simply does not grasp many things. It is more for understanding how the system works, not for final production use. At current 2022 prices, it would cost you about $175–$575 to train a DALL-E Mini using cloud computing. The full DALL-E 2 is also on Github, but, extrapolating, someone has to spend hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to train one. I’m sure people are, because “closed betas” for various things are popping up like mushrooms, but that does not help us. I saw one Dall-E [review](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uKp6tBFStnsvrot5t/what-dall-e-2-can-and-cannot-do) where he explains what art styles and prompts it can do and what it cannot do: Works well: - photorealistic content of anything that has a lot of stock images online, including clothing design, close-ups of cute animals, close-ups of food, jewelry - Pop-culture references (Disney, Tolkien, anything that it recognizes) in arbitrary art styles - art style transfer, especially styles that are a little bit forgiving in the details - creative digital art; you have to figure out the right prompts and it takes some trial and error Bad: - Scenes with multiple characters - Specific foreground and background (e.g. “Two dogs dressed like Roman soldiers on a pirate ship looking at New York City through a spyglass” does not work) - Anything it does not “know” what it is (e.g. “chair” works; “Otto bicycle”: nope) - Objects used in non-standard ways, or anything completely deviating from the training images (e.g., he could not get a woman whose “eyes are full of stars”. - text ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/348 "2022-05-02T12:13:35Z")
Here [https://github.com/coffeenut/DalleLinks](https://github.com/coffeenut/DalleLinks) are a whole bunch of scraped, therefore presumably unfiltered, Dall-E links, so we can see the failures (and there are quite a few failures) as well as the successes. Unfortunately, no yokai or elves or leather art for comparison, though (as far as eldritch monstrosities) they did have Cthulhu standing at the DMV: > **[DALL·E | Cthulhu standing at the DMV](https://labs.openai.com/s/5FkDvjhEl08a9HYoY4axsLor)** > > Created with DALL·E, an AI system by OpenAI ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/349 "2022-05-02T20:31:17Z")
I think this gets back to what I said about DALL-E effectively making collages. Give a kid a stack of magazines, a pair of scissors, and a glue-stick, and they can make all sorts of pictures of one thing next to another thing, or a thing in a particular setting, or the like. But those tools simply don’t enable transformations of the individual clips. You can’t use magazine clippings to turn a toilet into a pile of meat, and so neither can DALL-E. You can find a picture of a cheerleader and put her next to something eldritch, but you can’t make the cheerleader herself eldritch. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/350 "2022-05-02T21:07:17Z")
Both systems know who Urkel is. [![](https://i.imgur.com/C3f96mI.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/C3f96mI.jpg) I understand why robots want to kill all humans. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/351 "2022-05-02T22:00:21Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You can’t use magazine clippings to turn a toilet into a pile of meat, and so neither can DALL-E. You can find a picture of a cheerleader and put her next to something eldritch, but you can’t make the cheerleader herself eldritch. I only clicked around the results list posted earlier but I did see a few examples of merging ideas seamlessly like “Steampunk Earbuds” but also a lot of collage style images as you mentioned. It should go without saying that I don’t have any dog in this fight (and I doubt any of us do) and just want whatever AI can best give me an Eldritch Cheerleader Carwash. Right now, the AI that Nightcafe uses gives more “accurate” interpretations of melded ideas than DALL-E Mini does but, if the full version of DALL-E ultimately does better then sign me up. The Mini version right now isn’t a real good substitute in my limited experience. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/352 "2022-05-02T22:19:39Z")
Oh, and speaking of man-of-wars, I give you “Attack ships on fire at the Tanhauser Gate” (and yes, I know that’s not the exact quote): [![](https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/X9kxxZqB6gEgmJL6I4lc/X9kxxZqB6gEgmJL6I4lc.jpg?tr=w-1600,c-at_max) ](https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/X9kxxZqB6gEgmJL6I4lc/X9kxxZqB6gEgmJL6I4lc.jpg?tr=w-1600,c-at_max) Well, that’s definitely an attack ship on fire. At least, the one in the foreground is; I’m not sure what the thing hovering behind it is. And I can definitely accept that that’s a Gate in the upper left. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/353 "2022-05-02T22:41:12Z")
Tannhäuser, oil on canvas by CompVis Latent Diffusion demo [![](http://i.ompldr.pw/eprbrz.png) ](http://i.ompldr.pw/eprbrz.png) [![](http://i.ompldr.pw/pmdeli.png) ](http://i.ompldr.pw/pmdeli.png) I love how he’s wearing modern clothing… ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2022, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/354 "2022-05-02T23:44:19Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Oh, and speaking of man-of-wars, I give you “Attack ships on fire at the Tanhauser Gate” (and yes, I know that’s not the exact quote): Early on I put in Roy’s entire dying speech from “I’ve seen” to “time to die”. I got this. [![](https://i.imgur.com/zAWbDod.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/zAWbDod.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/355 "2022-05-03T03:42:46Z")
Decided to try generating a terrestrial landscape then alien landscapes in the style of two different artists. > **[Northern Lights #1 - AI Generated Artwork](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/Ovrzc4Yn2AKmHVKX6eTl)** > > AI Art Generator App. ✅ Fast ✅ Free ✅ Easy. Create amazing artworks using artificial intelligence. In the style of Danny Flynn (after one evolution of the one above): > **[Alien Landscape #5 - AI Generated Artwork](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/DV49mDFpKojJv2kuQOoK)** > > AI Art Generator App. ✅ Fast ✅ Free ✅ Easy. Create amazing artworks using artificial intelligence. In the style of Mark Garlick ( after trying Danny Flynn off [the original image](https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070409.html) ): > **[Alien Landscape #6 - AI Generated Artwork](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/dqud4aUBCSS7vdpuOIIA)** > > AI Art Generator App. ✅ Fast ✅ Free ✅ Easy. Create amazing artworks using artificial intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/356 "2022-05-03T04:14:23Z")
You might want to try triptychs. I made a frame and stick the noise from saved seed images in the frames, like this: [[Album] imgur.com ![](https://i.imgur.com/yAy43L0.jpeg?fb "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/a/Ic7echo) Or use your own source of noise if you can generate it. But the noise is critical—large areas of solid colors are dead zones (which is why the frame works). Adjust them however you want to hint in a specific direction. (In this case, I had “natural” red and green noise images and wanted a blue one to with it, so I adjusted the hue on a different noise image. Different colors probably have been better for the subject, but I just threw this together with a set I already had on-hand. > **[Alien planet landscape with cities triptych oil painting by James Gurney - AI...](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/mJQirghJsUT1CIaj3cnm)** > > AI Art Generator App. ✅ Fast ✅ Free ✅ Easy. Create amazing artworks using artificial intelligence. > **[Alien planet landscape with cities triptych oil painting by James Gurney - AI...](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/nUhIfz2TxhYzoCQkTRl5)** > > AI Art Generator App. ✅ Fast ✅ Free ✅ Easy. Create amazing artworks using artificial intelligence. > **[Alien planet landscape with cities triptych oil painting by James Gurney - AI...](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/p0fODcQ29qYUmH1GxGdY)** > > AI Art Generator App. ✅ Fast ✅ Free ✅ Easy. Create amazing artworks using artificial intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/357 "2022-05-03T13:24:34Z")
Neat idea! I have some old fractal images that I should be able to noisify. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/358 "2022-05-03T13:57:05Z")
I had been trying for portrait triptychs—it didn’t occur to me until your post to try something like a travel brochure. (I used that term in the prompt for these—in some of the frames it tries to insert alien text.) [[Album] imgur.com ![](https://i.imgur.com/pvBvUx1.jpeg?fb "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/a/kkcORyM) Oddly angled and shaped panels do less well than strictly rectangular ones, but I do love that swirly dome thing in one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/359 "2022-05-04T00:21:03Z")
Here is a new panorama, using the same start image of that yokai panorama I posted earlier, except with a green strip drawn across the bottom. > **[Alien landscape with cities oil painting by James Gurney - AI Generated Artwork](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/TWAX9iCYev6p7lJMF9jh)** > > AI Art Generator App. ✅ Fast ✅ Free ✅ Easy. Create amazing artworks using artificial intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/360 "2022-05-04T14:18:44Z")
Revisting the topic of AI image upscaling. I took another look at websites, and a site I had burned my credits at in early experimentation had credits ready for me again. It uses the same AI upscaler as Nightcafe. The site gives you 10 photos per week for a free user (with purchase options) upscaled to 4x length and width. Source images can be up to 4000x4000 pixels. But it occurred to me—the system would not know or care if you upload a collage/contact sheet of multiple images. For instance, if you wanted to upscale 640x480 images, you could fit 48 of them in that 4000x4000 block. I’ve tested it—yes, it does work, and yes, it does give you a 16,000x16,000 256 MP jpeg. (Which you can then cut back into the individual images.) > **[AI Image Upscaler - Upscale Photo, Cartoons in Batch Free](https://imgupscaler.com/)** > > Free image upscaler to upscale image by 400% and upto 16000\*16000. Upscale and enlarge images without losing quality. Support JPG/PNG/JPEG [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081.md?page=19)