# Digital art creator algorithm website **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** arts-crafts, ai\ **Created:** [April 1, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081 "2022-04-01T01:26:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1523 "2023-07-27T02:50:10Z")
They have also tinkered with how images are presented again. You may have noticed that they switched between .png and .jpg several times in the past. Up until a couple of days ago, a right click (or long press) and “save” downloaded a jpeg. Now it downloads a png again. (Not to be confused with saving it from the drop-down menu, which has been png for a long time.) Meanwhile Night Cafe has introduced SDXL 1.0 as a paid-subscribers-only option. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1524 "2023-07-29T00:44:10Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I always know when something is coming at Playground. Their site started acting a little funky/different for the last day or so. That usually signals some tinkering and additions. Called it. Five new filters for SDXL1.0 at PlaygroundAI: [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53078561025_fa2a02ed39_z.jpg "5 new filters") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/183290460@N02/53078561025/) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1525 "2023-07-29T14:27:04Z")
An annoying thing (to me) about SDXL, at least locally run, is that it expects around a 1024x1024 resolution and gives worse results at lower scales. This means it takes far longer to run images than SD1.5 at 512x512, plus the additional SDXL step of running it through a separate refiner. Granted, this is all user dependent – I’m just rendering stuff to say “Neat” and likely never look at it again so there’s not much added value in the images being at 4x the resolution but an obvious drawback in it taking 4x as long to see if the idea/prompt is even any good. Does SDXL take significantly more credit on sites using points/credits or other limits? Playing around with SDXL for a few days (and not using any custom models or Loras yet though some must exist by now) my impression is that it’s better than any previous SD but still not up to the quality standards I see from Midjourney, especially for artistic vs photorealistic images. For photorealism, they’re probably about equal but I haven’t been super impressed with how SDXL handles multiple artists in the prompts. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1526 "2023-07-29T14:41:26Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Does SDXL take significantly more credit on sites using points/credits or other limits? At Night Cafe, SD 1.5 costs 0.25 credits per image when ran in sets (as in 16 images for 4 credits) or single images are free (all at base resolution). The SDXL beta forced higher resolution and charged 3 credits per image (so 12 times as expensive). Now that full SDXL 1.0 is out, they charge 1 credit, but it is only available to paying customers, not for use with free daily credits. On Clipdrop they put a big watermark on the image unless you are a paying customer. At Playground, it is as free as the older versions. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1527 "2023-08-02T21:18:48Z")
It seems that SD 1.5 is trained with all sorts of porn while SDXL is not, at least on Playground AI. On a whim, I used as a prompt, “2 girls, 1 cup” and held my breath. The SDXL results were excellent - a bunch of Victorian ladies looking at the same ornate tea cup and things like that. On SD 1.5 … I fully expect a visit from the FBI. Listen, I’ve never actually seen the 2 Girls, 1 Cup video. I’ve actively wondered if it’s even real or if it’s like Church of the Subgenius thing, where you’re sworn to claim it’s real, but the real link is a bunch of fluffy kitties or something. That said … SD 1.5 spit out some downright disturbing images. A lot got “safetied out” but some didn’t. I quit after three successful images because I was getting grossed out. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1528 "2023-08-02T21:42:04Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > It seems that SD 1.5 is trained with all sorts of porn while SDXL is not, at least on Playground AI. There has been a lot of commentary on the issue on Reddit’s main SD group. Such as: [https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/153ai4i/stablity\_ai\_ceo\_on\_sdxl\_censorship/](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/153ai4i/stablity_ai_ceo_on_sdxl_censorship/) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1529 "2023-08-18T03:01:21Z")
Playground AI is acting squirrelly tonight. I predict some new features will be showing up soon. Or their server farm is melting down in this heat. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1530 "2023-08-18T03:20:16Z")
Speaking of Playground, you may have noticed that they added this notice for when you edit images: [![](https://i.postimg.cc/JnKC47KW/Screenshot-20230812-172631.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/JnKC47KW/Screenshot-20230812-172631.jpg) This is a direct result from someone with no clue how diffusion models work trying to make a type of edit at Playground that (I assume the default of SD 1.5) was never designed for and then going viral complaining about the results in a poorly-researched newsish piece. > **[Asian MIT grad asks AI to make her photo more ‘professional,’ gets turned...](https://news.yahoo.com/asian-mit-grad-asks-ai-180424270.html)** > > The student ended up with a fairer complexion, dark blonde hair and blue eyes after her Playground AI request ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1531 "2023-08-22T01:03:31Z")
This seems interesting… > **[AI-generated art cannot receive copyrights, US court says](https://www.reuters.com/legal/ai-generated-art-cannot-receive-copyrights-us-court-says-2023-08-21/)** > > A work of art created by artificial intelligence without any human input cannot be copyrighted under U.S. law, a U.S. court in Washington, D.C., has ruled. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1532 "2023-09-07T20:11:55Z")
More new filters have showed up at Playground AI. There was no pre-hinkiness to portend the change … I’ll have to figure that out. I’ll check my notes thoroughly. Anyhow, I have no idea what they do yet, but I love and hate new filters. A) I love new filters; they’re fun and it’s exciting to bake them in to my little algorithms, but 2) now I have to update my spreadsheet to include nine new filters and figure out a new optimum algorithm for premium pieces, and Finally) I need to get a life. [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53171499659_913fa372c2_z.jpg "New Filters PGAI") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/183290460@N02/53171499659/) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1533 "2023-09-07T20:31:57Z")
All trained for SDXL, too. They have lots for 1.5 but only 2 for SDXL 2.1. I don’t know why they don’t have Realism Engine, which is one of my absolute favorites and is for 2.1. I have to use [Dreamlike](https://dreamlike.art/create) for that one. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1534 "2023-09-08T21:13:05Z")
I still maintain that any entity capable of creating art is sufficiently-person-like that that entity should be afforded copyright. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1535 "2023-09-24T01:21:31Z")
Night Cafe has added custom Lora support: [https://creator.nightcafe.studio/my-models](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/my-models) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1536 "2023-09-28T02:40:20Z")
I’m sure most of you who would be reading this remember Google Deep Dream, one of the first AI image generators to get a lot of attention several years back. I’ve been playing around with using “google deep dream” in prompts on SDXL, with very cool results. Here is “ugly cute scary funny weirds polaroid kodachrome ektar google deep dream”: [![](https://i.postimg.cc/0QWWmq0T/SDXL-Playground-grid.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/0QWWmq0T/SDXL-Playground-grid.jpg) As much as I like these (and I made generated dozens more than this set) I wanted to try for some without a few of the images containing cameras and a lot of them containing creatures with lens eyes. I tried the same prompt except without “polaroid” and ended up getting much different images: [![](https://i.postimg.cc/qqNmxZmz/SDXL-Playground-nopolaroid.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/qqNmxZmz/SDXL-Playground-nopolaroid.jpg) Then I tried the full prompt using the earlier of the SDXL betas still at Night Cafe with radically different results: [![](https://i.postimg.cc/8zM0Y9Tv/SDXL-beta-NC-grid.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/8zM0Y9Tv/SDXL-beta-NC-grid.jpg) And here is the full prompt in several other systems. Some interesting results, but none as good as full SDXL. Dall-E 2: [![](https://i.postimg.cc/dt7X2DX4/DE2-NC-grid.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/dt7X2DX4/DE2-NC-grid.jpg) Bing/Dall-E 3 [![](https://i.postimg.cc/QtXw1mGT/Bing-grid.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/QtXw1mGT/Bing-grid.jpg) Kadinsky 2.1: [![](https://i.postimg.cc/gJJS0HMz/Kadinsky-grid.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/gJJS0HMz/Kadinsky-grid.jpg) Playground 1: [![](https://i.postimg.cc/HWvR8bSr/Playground-Playground-grid.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/HWvR8bSr/Playground-Playground-grid.jpg) SD 1.5 [![](https://i.postimg.cc/x8ZZrSkv/SD15-NC-grid.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/x8ZZrSkv/SD15-NC-grid.jpg) SD 2.1 [![](https://i.postimg.cc/85PXjCMd/SD21-Playground-grid.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/85PXjCMd/SD21-Playground-grid.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1537 "2023-10-01T13:51:11Z")
Dall-E 3 has been added to Bing, and it is _weird_. It produces some pretty amazing images, but it seems to like adding odd, unrequested items to prompts, clumped together in “themes”. I’ve just started playing with it, but for example in this simple prompt for a photo of a possum riding a shark, in one set all of the possii have cowboy hats, in another they are all wearing life vests, in a third there are rainbows and bubbles and in a forth all are drawings. [![](https://i.postimg.cc/j2WyWsgh/Possumsharkde3.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/j2WyWsgh/Possumsharkde3.jpg) Someone else has posted images where signs (with clearly written phrases) were added to images unprompted. [![](https://i.postimg.cc/65f1tcZ5/img-1-1696168073789.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/65f1tcZ5/img-1-1696168073789.jpg) (I had been calling what Bing already had “Dall-E 3” because the results were very different from Dall-E 2, but this js het again a big change.) (Here’s the article that led to my new experiments) > **[OpenAI Quietly Ships DALL-E 3 AI Image Generator Upgrade In Bing - Decrypt](https://decrypt.co/199591/dall-e-3-live-openai-upgrade-now-available-microsoft-bing-creator?amp=1)** > > Ten days after it was announced, DALL-E 3 appears to have already been made available to the public through Microsoft's Bing Creator. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1538 "2023-10-01T19:19:15Z")
I did a quick test in Bing: “Draw a cartoon of Warren Zevon playing guitar on stage” > **[Bing](https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-cartoon-of-warren-zevon-playing-guitar-on-stage/6519c292a6ff41e5b09ce52e56914f61?id=M4bjt3ty4sZpLAGMAra4XA%3D%3D&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&form=SYDBIC&ssp=1&setlang=en-CA&safesearch=moderate)** > > Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you. There were several different ones, all about as good. Really impressive. If I saw that illustration alongside an article about Zevon, I would think it was human illustrated. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1539 "2023-10-01T20:05:25Z")
Yeah, I’ve had similar experiences with very well done drawings, like this possum riding a tyrannosaurus. [![](https://i.postimg.cc/zDdcC2z0/2b0fa2ee-8e02-4cad-b43f-21fd17c1c09e.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/zDdcC2z0/2b0fa2ee-8e02-4cad-b43f-21fd17c1c09e.jpg) This is reaching the “ready for prime time” stage. (One failure, though: asking for the possum to be riding a brontosaurus or apatosaurus also generated images of a possum on a tyrannosaurus or Spielberg-style velocitaptor.) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1540 "2023-10-01T20:19:43Z")
> > > > > > > > > > > ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1541 "2023-10-01T20:21:19Z")
I tried the very first prompt of mine from the start of the thread and things have improved tremendously. Boston Terrier Fighting a dragon > **[Bing](https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-boston-terrier-fighting-a-dragon/6519d3cf507e49a397c4ef94fef5b7aa?FORM=GENCRE)** > > Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1542 "2023-10-01T20:53:49Z")
About understanding more complex prompts, one of my first tests was "a possum holding a sign that says “cat” and a cat holding a sign that says “possum”. [![](https://i.postimg.cc/K8T8dsJ5/a3a6c46a-5fea-4d16-bfc2-243782e9ead3.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/K8T8dsJ5/a3a6c46a-5fea-4d16-bfc2-243782e9ead3.jpg) I don’t need to create examples in other models to know that they would mangle the results. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081.md?page=78)