# Digital art creator algorithm website **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** arts-crafts, ai\ **Created:** [April 1, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081 "2022-04-01T01:26:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1843 "2023-12-05T22:32:27Z")
I only use free ones myself. My top uses are Bing for Dall-E 3 > **[Bing](https://www.bing.com/images/create/)** > > Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you. Playground for Stable Diffusion XL [https://playground.com/create](https://playground.com/create) Night Cafe for various versions of Stable Diffusion. [https://creator.nightcafe.studio/](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/) The second two place limits on the number of free creations you can do per day with paid tiers above that. Bing has no paid tier and has no hard limit to the number you can do per day, but throttles the speed after 15 runs per day. Midjourney is paid-only, so I’ve never used it, but it produces some of the best quality–once it was best quality hands-down, but now SDXL and especially Dall-E 3 give it swrious competition in many ways. [https://www.midjourney.com](https://www.midjourney.com) There is also Dreamlike Art, which gives limited free daily credits for acess to a handful of Stable Diffusion models plus Kandinsky, which is basically “Russian Dall-E”. Kadinski is my least favorite if the AIs I use, though. > **[Free AI Art Generator, AI Art Maker | Stable Diffusion Online](https://dreamlike.art/create)** > > Create stunning AI Art in seconds with Stable Diffusion. Upscale your images, create variations, fix faces, share your art, and more. And there is Craiyon, which is pretty low-end by modern standards and I rarely even think about it, but it isn’t entirely useless. [https://www.craiyon.com/](https://www.craiyon.com/) There are several more AIs, both free and pay, “out there”, and output I’ve seen from some of them is pretty impressive, but I haven’t tried them. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1844 "2023-12-05T22:40:26Z")
I’ve invented the creation myth for my new religion. [![](https://i.postimg.cc/YSbv74LJ/b9736bbd-2927-4cac-9bc7-13f488244a1e.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/YSbv74LJ/b9736bbd-2927-4cac-9bc7-13f488244a1e.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1845 "2023-12-05T22:57:22Z")
Xe doesn’t look very proud of xes baby. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1846 "2023-12-06T00:05:06Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > it is amazing how it has evolved in a short time Just for the heck of it I ran the prompt that created the alien with baby Earth image (Photo of a very small planet earth in a hospital delivery room. Earth’s mother looks distressed.) through Night Cafe’s “coherent” model, one used through much of the early part of this thread. Here’s the result: [![](https://i.postimg.cc/906mGfkk/vk-Awl-Bh0f-OQJC4-Aiz-Cp-L.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/906mGfkk/vk-Awl-Bh0f-OQJC4-Aiz-Cp-L.jpg) As for the first Birth of Earth image, it was continuing on my recent attempts at rhyming images. I was aiming for something more graphic, more like (if not quite as explicit as) the Big Bird giving birth images that crop up different places. > **[AI Masterpiece Theater 3000 | Big bird gives birth live on sesame street in...](https://www.facebook.com/groups/cursedai/permalink/1318295245460723/)** > > Big bird gives birth live on sesame street in 1983, but things go horribly wrong. Bing/Dall-E 3 heavily censors both the language you can use (from some naughty word list) and the images produced (if an AI thinks an image it actually produced has “harmful” content, it won’t show it to you) so you have to be circumspect about how you describe the scene _and_ hope that it doesn’t see anything questionable in the result. (I don’t know how the Big Bird images were made). This is the image closest to what I was aiming for in my Birth of Earth prompts. It is mostly what I wanted, except the Earth is much too big. [![](https://i.postimg.cc/x8vH7qzw/1.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/x8vH7qzw/1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1847 "2023-12-06T00:34:27Z")
I largely agree with **Darren\_Garrison** about the recommendations. Bing’s Dall-E based engine is free and renders some good images; good enough to keep you amused while trying out AI art. It also runs off Chat GPT so it uses very natural language for requesting a prompt and does the best job of understanding that style of prompting. I’m not a fan of the aggressive filtering, locked size and there’s some stuff it doesn’t do very well but it’s the best online intersection of cost and function. I have a MidJourney sub and they used to be far and away the best but Dall-E and SDXL have pulled even in some regards and even passed it in some others. It does still have the edge in some use cases, it’s very “artistic” and it does a good job of understanding and mixing various artists’ styles. It also has a number of additional features such as inpainting and outpainting, variants, style creators, etc. But its $30/month price tag means you’ll need to find it useful over cheaper/free alternatives. The “freest” platform is to run Stable Diffusion locally on your own PC. This requires a fairly robust PC and you’ll probably want an Nvidia graphics card (though the latest 7000-series AMD cards aren’t bad from what I understand). Plus some technical knowledge and/or patience to get it set up. But, once you’re running, you have unlimited renders, without filters, on a very flexible platform filled with knobs & sliders, and a whole community of Stable Diffusion models to choose from for whatever you want. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1848 "2023-12-06T18:20:12Z")
All of the AI image apps I use (Midjourney, Firefly, SDXL, Dall-E, NightCafe) have strong points and weak points. Combining and tweaking often gives you the results you want. Sometimes I feature my cat Benny in my AI generations: [![](https://i.imgur.com/rHEgtp4.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/rHEgtp4.jpg) [![](https://i.imgur.com/ZcP0PjZ.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/ZcP0PjZ.jpg) [![](https://i.imgur.com/lUjC947.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/lUjC947.jpg) [![](https://i.imgur.com/CHyHGDG.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/CHyHGDG.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1849 "2023-12-06T22:40:40Z")
Oh,and I don’t get “Aloe on a badger”, “Rabbi in soup”, “Ant on a pill”, “Godzilla on King Kong”, “Faun on a peach”, or “Old guy on Groot”. Obviously I’m misidentifying some of the objects, but I’m not sure which ones. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1850 "2023-12-06T22:43:44Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Aloe on a badger Aloe Vera on a Capybara ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1851 "2023-12-06T22:54:03Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Oh,and I don’t get “Aloe on a badger”, “Rabbi in soup”, “Ant on a pill”, “Godzilla on King Kong”, “Faun on a peach”, or “Old guy on Groot”. Obviously I’m misidentifying some of the objects, but I’m not sure which ones. Aloe vera on a capybera, Jew in a stew, bug on a drug, Godzilla on a gorilla, antelope on a cantaloupe, and coot on Groot. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1852 "2023-12-06T23:08:34Z")
Created after those, we have poodle on a noodle, Spock on a dock, Hedy on a jetty, Carnac in a Sarlacc, tomater on a masturbater, and Jarjar Binks with Lemmiwinks. [![](https://i.postimg.cc/XvNwzTHd/elfgroup2.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/XvNwzTHd/elfgroup2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1853 "2023-12-06T23:12:23Z")
Thanks to everyone who commented on which platforms they currently use or like. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1854 "2023-12-06T23:49:56Z")
A new Carnegie-Mellon study calculates that rendering each AI image uses more energy than charging a smartphone, and generates more carbon than driving four miles. > **[Generating AI Images Uses as Much Energy as Charging Your Phone, Study Finds](https://gizmodo.com/ai-images-as-much-energy-as-charging-phone-hugging-face-1851065091)** > > According to a new study, turning text into images with programs like Midjourney or Dall-e comes with a significant carbon footprint. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1855 "2023-12-07T00:04:07Z")
Power use per charge of course varies by phone, but for me a full charge cycle would cost less than 1/10th of one cent. > **[How Many Watts Does a Phone Charger Use?](https://www.energysage.com/electricity/house-watts/how-many-watts-does-a-phone-charger-use/)** > > Phone chargers are an extremely important part of our daily lives. Find out here how much electricity they actually use. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1856 "2023-12-07T00:07:55Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > A new Carnegie-Mellon study calculates that rendering each AI image uses more energy than charging a smartphone, and generates more carbon than driving four miles. Incredibly frustratingly, the article did not note _how much energy we are talking about_, it just used vague comparative terms. Taken at face value, the average phone charger uses 5 watts an hour and takes 3 hours to charge a phone from empty to full, so let’s say 15 watt-hours. A gaming PC will use that in about… 2 and a half minutes, if my math is right. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1857 "2023-12-07T00:10:28Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Power use per charge of course varies by phone, but for me a full charge cycle would cost less than 1/10th of one cent. Apparently average cost of power here in CA is 28 cents per kilowatt hour (vague figure from googling, good enough for this). So 28 cents per 1,000 watt hours. If my math of 15 watt hours is right then that comes out to half a cent per image. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1858 "2023-12-07T00:16:19Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Apparently average cost of power here in CA is 28 cents per kilowatt hour Here in South Carolina it is around 13 cents. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1859 "2023-12-07T00:18:36Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Incredibly frustratingly, the article did not note _how much energy we are talking about_ Or which GPUs are being measured. They of course have different performance per watt. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1860 "2023-12-07T00:25:08Z")
The article linked to a pdf of the study. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1861 "2023-12-07T00:44:15Z")
A table from the PDF [![](https://i.postimg.cc/G2wgp6Y4/AI-power.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/G2wgp6Y4/AI-power.jpg) So their sample image generation uses roughly 0.003 kWh. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1862 "2023-12-07T01:46:36Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The article linked to a pdf of the study. That’s fine, but the article itself is still poorly written and unnecessarily vague in leaving that information out of the article itself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081.md?page=94)