# Digital art creator algorithm website **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** arts-crafts, ai\ **Created:** [April 1, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081 "2022-04-01T01:26:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 96
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1903 "2023-12-25T13:35:39Z")
Yeah, that’s what I would have picked for a term as well (then adjusted to get a front facing selfie effect again). But I was starting like for like on the prompt. But running the exact same prompt through multiple engines isn’t really the best way to show their capabilities. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1904 "2023-12-25T20:17:06Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > SD results are always a little frustrating to see as a comparison because of course it’ll suffer if you try to give it short natural language prompts under the basic model. That’s not how its prompting language works. SD can give great results when you get into the buttons and levers but you need to work for it. The prompt was for Stable Diffusion in the first place. [![](https://i.postimg.cc/Qt598Dq3/Screenshot-20231225-151204.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/Qt598Dq3/Screenshot-20231225-151204.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1905 "2023-12-25T20:33:35Z")
Presumably not stock though, given the stark difference in results. Or the online engine you used was set differently. In any event, the significantly different results point to more than a random seed difference. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1906 "2023-12-26T19:33:37Z")
Thought I’d give MJ v6 a go with a vintage movie poster. The graphics are fine, but the text needs work. [![](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1117238726200922246/1189288273365971065/tibby1957_A_large_old_movie_poster_for_the_film_The_Straight_Do_c5f0dfef-85a1-4ef5-b27b-931727cbf878.png?ex=659d9e04&is=658b2904&hm=a27fe3206d20adafd3a83dfedea2d0beb78c19a15f1920e380f79ac85a25c993&) ](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1117238726200922246/1189288273365971065/tibby1957_A_large_old_movie_poster_for_the_film_The_Straight_Do_c5f0dfef-85a1-4ef5-b27b-931727cbf878.png?ex=659d9e04&is=658b2904&hm=a27fe3206d20adafd3a83dfedea2d0beb78c19a15f1920e380f79ac85a25c993&) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1907 "2023-12-26T19:52:32Z")
Any sign of Midjourney injecting prompt details (“diversity creating” or otherwise) that show up in text? I’ve mentioned it being a problem in DE3. I gave this a couple of shots and in this one you see an “ethnically ambiguous” > **[Bing](https://www.bing.com/images/create/vintage-1950s-movie-poster-a-tough2c-rugged-man-is/1-658b2d52e19847ebb19867d9c461a0d5?id=94Jzt1xPNjK%2fsK5rpEaXSw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&FORM=GCRIDP&mode=overlay)** > > Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you. And in this one an “east asian”. (I typoed “poster”, but it still got the idea.) > **[Bing](https://www.bing.com/images/create/vintage-1950s-movie-pister-a-tough2c-rugged-man-is/1-658b2d355c5f4910837a3322a27bf39a?id=pQ1yqAEKWDmAB3NiL9ioVw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&FORM=GCRIDP&mode=overlay)** > > Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you. This is a common occurrence in Bing/DE3. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1908 "2023-12-26T20:43:27Z")
So, what you are saying is that you have proof that Bing and/or OpenAI inject words into your prompt that you did not type yourself? This is why I recommend open-source models where you can access the script itself if need be (and you definitely would need access to the nuts and bolts if you were using these models in a professional capacity). ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1909 "2023-12-26T20:56:38Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > So, what you are saying is that you have proof that Bing and/or OpenAI inject words into your prompt that you did not type yourself? Yes, it happens commonly. Images that are supposed to contain text will contain words from other parts of the prompt, and that text often contains versions of “female”, “east asian”, or “ethnically ambiguous”, for example. > **[Why Is AI Inserting The Phrase 'Ethnically Ambiguous' Into AI-Generated...](https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/why-is-ai-inserting-the-phrase-ethnically-ambiguous-into-ai-generated-images-racial-bias-in-ai-art-explained)** > > A spat of strange AI-generated images has sparked conversations about how AI engineers appear to be compensating for racial bias in their programs; using simplistic prompt injections with lackluster effects. [https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/17wwnbs/bing\_image\_creator\_randomly\_adds\_racial\_terms\_to/](https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/17wwnbs/bing_image_creator_randomly_adds_racial_terms_to/) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1910 "2023-12-26T21:31:11Z")
I think I’ve seen MJ insert text from the prompt that’s outside of the quotation marks. So… _/imagine A battered red sign reading “House for Sale” hanging from an old tree limb_ …might give a sign hanging from a branch with “House for Sale” and then “tree” written underneath or in a corner. I haven’t seen it insert entire phrases like “Ethnically ambiguous” and any random short words are likely random chance as it muddles through AI art literacy. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1911 "2023-12-26T21:56:02Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > So, what you are saying is that you have proof that Bing and/or OpenAI inject words into your prompt that you did not type yourself? Also, see this earlier post for one example (I think I’ve posted more). It isn’t blatant proof like the text examples, but it sure seems like Bing/ChatGPT adds additional descriptive detail to simple prompts. > [@Digital art creator algorithm website](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1757): > > This is another clear example of ChatGPT adding things to prompts behind the scene. I did four runs of “photo of an android dreaming of a robot sheep” before getting the image closest to what I wanted (top left). As you can see, in one run ChatGPT told Dall-E to use a thought bubble and a park bench, in one a grassy hill and The Milky Way, in one a copy of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and a glass of water (with nice caustics), and in one, VR goggles and roboboobies. […](https://i.postimg.cc/KzywGx9N/android-dreaming-robot-sheep.jpg) And look at this prompt (not mine) from a Facebook group a couple of days ago. Note the simplicity of the prompt and the odd but specific output. [![](https://i.postimg.cc/QtLD8DpG/img-1-1703627430494.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/QtLD8DpG/img-1-1703627430494.jpg) Use the same prompt and you will get utterly different (but related to each other) sets of four images. I ran it twice, once was four things that looked sort of like drawered boxes with antique telephone parts on it in face shapes and the other time was four line drawings of toasters with faces. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1912 "2023-12-26T22:53:42Z")
Using _- -style raw_ helps with text. Not perfect, but getting there. [![](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1117238726200922246/1189338487250489355/tibby1957_A_photo_taken_with_Canon_EOS_Rebel_T7_DSLR_of_nerds_r_13652f08-aae1-42e0-8af4-683ab3cea040.png?ex=659dccc8&is=658b57c8&hm=988540f1e16e6ca40176905c10d23c038ff783c0ab59481601d8a5ea3d097790&) ](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1117238726200922246/1189338487250489355/tibby1957_A_photo_taken_with_Canon_EOS_Rebel_T7_DSLR_of_nerds_r_13652f08-aae1-42e0-8af4-683ab3cea040.png?ex=659dccc8&is=658b57c8&hm=988540f1e16e6ca40176905c10d23c038ff783c0ab59481601d8a5ea3d097790&) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1913 "2023-12-26T23:10:43Z")
[![](https://i.postimg.cc/SQrgNDJN/Screenshot-20231226-180809.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/SQrgNDJN/Screenshot-20231226-180809.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1914 "2023-12-26T23:11:41Z")
I once saw ChatGPT tell me it was deliberately altering the DE3 prompt; telling me it was replacing characters with a more ethnically diverse cast. Only saw it do that once, last week. A few days later DE3 decided to make the daughter in one image of a family an asian, the rest caucasian. Guess she was adopted 🙂 After that, without ever specifying their race I started telling it to make sure they all share a family resemblance. From then on it’s always been assuming caucasians when I ask for more images of that family. Yeah, I know I can’t expect any kind of character consistency from image to image… yet. Just been doing it for fun as I develop various stories. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1915 "2023-12-26T23:22:26Z")
[![](https://i.postimg.cc/Pf7PZvVs/554e9989-2921-4e58-8132-a8e98f929b73.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/Pf7PZvVs/554e9989-2921-4e58-8132-a8e98f929b73.jpg) The other guy is Slenderman. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1916 "2023-12-26T23:39:58Z")
I love that the goat in the last one is a hipster, too, but how did they manage to get a woodburner to drip? ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1917 "2023-12-27T17:03:31Z")
I was shocked to see MJ-6 generated partial nudity when I didn’t ask for it (just a simple acupuncture prompt). Previous versions balked at even generating a bare foot. Censored for Doper eyes: [![](https://i.imgur.com/AiPfadU.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/AiPfadU.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1918 "2023-12-27T18:37:20Z")
If there is something you do _not_ want to see, you can put it into a negatively weighted prompt. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1919 "2023-12-27T19:37:54Z")
I think it was less “Oh no!” and more amusement at Midjourney throwing out unrequested nudes without effort. This is mainly because the early builds (and v6 is still a beta) aren’t well filtered and they warn you about this in their announcements – along with a warning that they’ll be more strict in moderation towards people trying to abuse this. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1920 "2023-12-27T19:45:22Z")
Abuse what? Taking someone’s face or portrait and putting it in a pornographic image? I thought we were in agreement that “nudes” were not a problem, any more than they were for da Vinci, Goya, and Durer. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1921 "2023-12-27T19:48:16Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > I thought we were in agreement that “nudes” were not a problem “We” are. People running commercial AI art sites have different opinions on it and terms of service you’re supposed to agree to. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081/1922 "2023-12-27T20:14:11Z")
It doesn’t look like I screencapped it before it was inevitably deleted, but someone posted an image in the Cursed AI Facebook group where they were asking for a waterslide and got a very realistic closeup of a topless woman on a waterslide. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081.md?page=95) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/digital-art-creator-algorithm-website/962081.md?page=97)