# Dio, at it again and raising the bar **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 20, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888 "2010-06-20T18:19:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/361 "2010-06-22T19:20:04Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > [Here it is](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12601350#post12601350) > > Took about 30 seconds to find. That’s in this thread. You claimed to have posted it in the other thread, which is where I was looking for it. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/362 "2010-06-22T19:34:06Z")
He just forgot which thread he posted it in. Of course, forgetting isn’t the same as a lack of knowledge, so he indeed lied. It’s funny that he was saying “google up ANY statute” and his own cite shows that the majority of states don’t have this unambiguous intent-doesn’t-matter legislation at all. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/363 "2010-06-22T19:34:43Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Diogenes has always, _always_, _ALWAYS_ been a fucking cock. People only accepted it because he was saying crap they agreed with. Nah. I don’t buy that. My list of favorite posters is far too diverse for me to judge good posting by what I I agree with. My very favorite posters on this board are all over the map, from Shodan and Bricker to Olives and Monstro. No way will I take points off for someone not agreeing with me. Plus, I like cocks. They are interesting. No, I think I was right the first time. His head bigged up and now he is all about staying edgy and relevant, even if that means posting stuff that is just dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/364 "2010-06-22T19:34:57Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > That’s in this thread. You claimed to have posted it in the other thread, which is where I was looking for it. Same difference. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/365 "2010-06-22T19:38:41Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > He just forgot which thread he posted it in. Of course, forgetting isn’t the same as a lack of knowledge, so he indeed lied. I probably didn’t know which thread I was in when I posted because they’re exactly the same. I wasn’t bothering to keep track. There wasn’t a baby’s life at stake, so it wasn’t important to keep track. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/366 "2010-06-22T19:42:00Z")
This thread is about **Dio**. right ? He’s fairly opinionated about many subjects, and comes across as shooting from the hip.But many of his contrary opinions are directed at targets that don’t rise to the level of the SDMB backlash that one sees in the race debates . I for one would be very interested in his opinions on race and the relevance of genetics in disparate peformance. Why does he avoid these discussions? Just asking. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/367 "2010-06-22T19:46:42Z")
Because I don’t care about them. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/368 "2010-06-22T19:55:01Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > This thread is about **Dio**. right ? Every thread is about **Dio** once he enters it. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/369 "2010-06-22T20:21:16Z")
Do we really need to do this again? > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m not a liar. > [@Bearflag70](#): > > You argued that it was murder and criminal negligence _per se_. [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] No, I argued that it was illegal, _per se_ to leave a baby in a car. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Parents who do that crap should be jailed for life. They are murderers. [/quote] [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Leaving a baby in a car is automatically criminally negligent by statute. [/quote] > [@Texas toddler dies after mom leaves her in a hot car for 45 minutes](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-toddler-dies-after-mom-leaves-her-in-a-hot-car-for-45-minutes/543728/282): > > No, the statutes against leaving babies in cars were the only ones I was ever referring to. … I never made a claim about the level of penalty. I just said it was illegal. > [@Texas toddler dies after mom leaves her in a hot car for 45 minutes](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-toddler-dies-after-mom-leaves-her-in-a-hot-car-for-45-minutes/543728/291): > > You argued, “They are murderers.” Now you claim you didn’t really mean it. :dubious: > > You argued, “Parents who do that crap should be jailed for life.” Now, you say you “never made any claim at all about the level of penalty.” :dubious: > [@Texas toddler dies after mom leaves her in a hot car for 45 minutes](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-toddler-dies-after-mom-leaves-her-in-a-hot-car-for-45-minutes/543728/293): > > Sure you did. Besides the calling the parents murderers, you indicated that anybody who didn’t want to throw parents in jail for leaving their babies in cars wanted it to be legal. > > Well, [here’s the Texas Penal Code](http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.12.htm#12.23) on Class C Misdemeanor, which is what intentionally or knowingly leaving a child in a car in Texas represents: > > Now, how was it you were arguing for jail time for this infraction when you knew all along that there was no jail time involved? ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/370 "2010-06-22T20:22:10Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Dio and I are brothers. I signed up because he was always talking about it. Now I mostly just sign in to argue with him. It’s easier than calling. So **Dio** ’s _brother_ is a [hamster](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricetus). Hm…do any of your relative smell of elderberries? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/371 "2010-06-22T20:24:36Z")
Saying what the penalty _should_ be is not the same as making a claim about what it actually is. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/372 "2010-06-22T20:35:37Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I probably didn’t know which thread I was in when I posted because they’re exactly the same. I wasn’t bothering to keep track. There wasn’t a baby’s life at stake, so it wasn’t important to keep track. How are they “exactly the same”? That other thread is a specific example of you being a sanctimonious bullshitter and this one is about ALL the examples. I’m trying to remember what it was you were being a blowhard expert about and then it turns out you had just misheard something your wife had mentioned at some point, but I can’t think of the keywords to search on. Little help? ---
**Author:** ![Library\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cab0a1/32.png) [@Library\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Library_Boy)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/373 "2010-06-22T20:38:59Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > How are they “exactly the same”? That other thread is a specific example of you being a sanctimonious bullshitter and this one is about ALL the examples. I’m trying to remember what it was you were being a blowhard expert about and then it turns out you had just misheard something your wife had mentioned at some point, but I can’t think of the keywords to search on. Little help? Something about social workers and removing children? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/374 "2010-06-22T20:50:11Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > Yeah, you are. Nah-he’s not a ‘liar’, he’s a troll. He does this constantly to get a rise out of people. He’s been doing it for years and is the most successful SDMB troll ever with regards to the “Getting right up to the line but not going over”. It’s not like he believes the stuff he spews, he just likes the attention he gets when he constantly disrupts threads with his over-the-top routine (which he eventually mitigates). He does this every few months–he’ll go through a period where he turns every thread he enters into The Dio Show and spends much of his posts waving his hands in the mods faces saying “Nyahh-nyahh. I’m not touching you. I’m not touching you.” Then he gets warned or mod-noted, drops the trolling routine and plays it cool 'till things die down. And to respond in advance to Dio’s standard gimmick saying “Cite” when accused of trolling, nope. Not gonna play another round of that game with you. Been there, done that. ve ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/375 "2010-06-22T21:00:10Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Saying what the penalty _should_ be is not the same as making a claim about what it actually is. I like how you conveniently overlook the bit about criminal negligence per se. [Quote=Diogenes the Cynic] I’m not a liar. [/quote] [Quote=Bearflag70] You argued that it was … criminal negligence per se. [/quote] [Quote=Diogenes the Cynic] No, I argued that it was illegal, per se … [/quote] [Quote=Diogenes the Cynic] Leaving a baby in a car is automatically criminally negligent by statute. [/quote] ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/376 "2010-06-22T21:14:16Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Every thread is about **Dio** once he enters it. Isn’t that the fucking truth. It’s sad, pathetic whore-mongering. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > _I don’t feel strongly that they should, and never said I did. I’m just not going to throw roses at a group who picks the easiest funerals to do it at._ Horse. Shit. You threadshat, plain and simple. That was textbook trolling. Thanks to **Twix** for putting the train back on the tracks. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/377 "2010-06-22T21:27:02Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > This thread is about **Dio**. right ? He’s fairly opinionated about many subjects, and comes across as shooting from the hip.But many of his contrary opinions are directed at targets that don’t rise to the level of the SDMB backlash that one sees in the race debates . I for one would be very interested in his opinions on race and the relevance of genetics in disparate peformance. Why does he avoid these discussions?. He doesn’t avoid them. He just has…interesting…ideas. [My favorite, soon to be yours is:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9743260&postcount=234) > [@Dio in response to the question "You think Whites and Blacks have brains that work differently](#): > > There is apparently scientific evidence backing it up. Neither one of us is a neurologist or an expert on brain physiology, so neither one of us is in a position to say the study is “bullshit.” It actually makes a lot of sense to me. It explains why black people are better at music, for instance. :rolleyes: Since his only rebuttal when I’ve brought that up is that I’ve linked to a single post (which he says somehow takes his bizarre notion that blacks have natural rhythm because their 'brains work differently" out of context) or to an entire thread (because then people won’t search through the thread for context) depending on which he did, here’s the link to the threads in question and let’s see where he goes from here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9743844](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9743844) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9743260](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9743260) There’s also a thread that I can’t find right now where he says it’s not racist and/or discriminatory for a white person to refuse to see a black doctor even if it’s only because of the doctor’s skin color, it’s just no big deal. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/378 "2010-06-22T21:33:41Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > There’s also a thread that I can’t find right now where he says it’s not racist and/or discriminatory for a white person to refuse to see a black doctor even if it’s only because of the doctor’s skin color, it’s just no big deal. [Here you go.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12118205&postcount=36) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/379 "2010-06-22T21:43:53Z")
Context is everything. That was said in response to a thread about cultural differences in _pedagogy_, not genetic differences. Nice trying to paint me as a racist, though. You really have no conscience at all, do you. Oh, and in the other thread about black patients not wanting to see white doctors I said it wasn’t _necessarily_ racist, and that in either case it wasn’t discriminatory. That’s not what discriminatory means. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/380 "2010-06-22T21:49:50Z")
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