# Dio, at it again and raising the bar **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 20, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888 "2010-06-20T18:19:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/381 "2010-06-22T21:52:11Z")
Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/382 "2010-06-22T21:53:19Z")
I’ve never trolled in my life. What I say is what I really think. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/383 "2010-06-22T21:56:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’ve never trolled in my life. What I say is what I really think. Then maybe you’re just a crazy person. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/384 "2010-06-22T21:57:07Z")
I’m comfortable with that. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/385 "2010-06-22T22:02:50Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’ve never trolled in my life. What I say is what I really think. Then you’re a fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/386 "2010-06-22T22:30:02Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Nice trying to paint me as a racist, though. Funny, I’d think the guy who fought like a wounded, rabid weasel for a 300+ post thread that black folks have different kinds of brains so they have more natural rhythm/musical ability was the racist, not the guy pointing it that black and white people’s brains aren’t different from each others. > [@](#): > > You really have no conscience at all, do you. I have enough not to barge into a thread where someone’s friend has just died and they’re hurting from some political loonies and use it as a springboard to troll about how some group isn’t doing exactly what you want them to. I have enough conscience not to barge into a thread where someone’s freaked out about learning a friend of his is going to jail for child molestation and asking for advice/sympathy and calling the freaked-out guy a pervert/pedophile/baby rapist (I don’t remember the specific term used). I have enough conscience to believe that polygamous couples can be a family even though I’m not polygamous and that people can have sexual interests different than mine without being either the victims of abuse or mentally ill. Hell, I even have enough conscience to believe that black and white brains are the same–one’s race doesn’t change the physical makeup of one’s brain. > [@](#): > > Oh, and in the other thread about black patients not wanting to see white doctors I said it wasn’t _necessarily_ racist, and that in either case it wasn’t discriminatory. That’s not what discriminatory means. Quote from Wiki: > [@](#): > > Discrimination is a sociological term referring to the treatment taken toward or against a person of a certain group in consideration based solely on class or category. Discrimination is the actual behavior towards another group. It involves excluding or restricting members of one group from opportunities that are available to other groups. The United Nations explains: “Discriminatory behaviors take many forms, but they all involve some form of exclusion or rejection.” Because I’ve seen you do this dance that you do so well (and hey–your ability to do this dance isn’t because your brain is different from a black guy’s), let me do the next few steps and save us all some time. spoilered so noobs to Dio’s trolling can enjoy his routine. [spoiler] Dio The Troll: You fool! I meant the _legal_ definition of discrimination. Me: You didn’t say that, and I think the UN has a pretty good grasp of what the term means. Dio The Troll: I meant the precise legal definition in the town in which I live. Me: That’s not what you said and it makes no sense in context of your grandpa not trusting black people to be his doctor. Dio the Troll: Ha! Your definition says “It involves excluding or restricting members of one group from opportunities that are available to other groups.” If I don’t go see a doctor because I don’t think black people’s brains can handle it (they’re great at basketball though!), I’m not denying them an opportunity. Me: You’re denying them the opportunity to be your doctor. By your argument any town could get away with discrimination simply by saying each _person_ chose not to go to a black-run business. &tc…[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/387 "2010-06-22T22:38:26Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Funny, I’d think the guy who fought like a wounded, rabid weasel for a 300+ post thread that black folks have different kinds of brains so they have more natural rhythm/musical ability was the racist, not the guy pointing it that black and white people’s brains aren’t different from each others. This is a flat lie. I never said their brains were different. You have zero conscience, dude. Your wiki definition of “discrimination” has no application to bakck people preferring black doctors because it does not involve any actual instance of people beimng discriminated against. Don’t use words if you don’t know what they mean. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/388 "2010-06-22T22:40:33Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’ve never trolled in my life. What I say is what I really think. > [@PlainJain](#): > > Then maybe you’re just a crazy person. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m comfortable with that. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Then you’re a fucking moron. Or, perhaps he has a version of OCD. Like **Lib** , only **Dio** doesn’t arrange the cups in the cupboard with all the handles pointing in the exact same direction. Seriously. I think this is the most likely answer. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/389 "2010-06-22T22:43:59Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > This is a flat lie. I never said their brains were different. You have zero conscience, dude. You said that there was evidence backing it up and that it made sense to you. **Fenris** ’s statement was _not_ a flat lie. Your statement - while also not a flat lie - is a lot closer to being a lie than his was. And anyway, you have been caught out so many times flatly denying that you said something, only to have someone provide a direct quote of where you actually said it, that statements from you such as “I never said X” are pretty much worthless. Just look up-thread if you want examples. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/390 "2010-06-22T22:52:22Z")
Fenris, you forgot about the thread in which he tells the OP, whose wife just suffered a miscarriage, to “man up”. After that, he gets rude. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/391 "2010-06-22T23:16:32Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > You said that there was evidence backing it up and that it made sense to you. No I didn’t. The “it” I was talking about was not genetic differences in the brain but pedagogic differences in culture – more specifically it was in reference to a scientific study on how teaching methodologies could have different results. Race has nothing to do with it except that the samples broke down that way. Biologicallly speaking, race doesn’t even exist. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/392 "2010-06-22T23:20:20Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Fenris, you forgot about the thread in which he tells the OP, whose wife just suffered a miscarriage, to “man up”. After that, he gets rude. It wasn’t a miscarriage, it was a false pregnancy, and his thread title was “my baby died.” Not only was there no baby, there wasn’t even a pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/393 "2010-06-22T23:21:26Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Or, perhaps he has a version of OCD. Like **Lib** , only **Dio** doesn’t arrange the cups in the cupboard with all the handles pointing in the exact same direction. Seriously. > I think this is the most likely answer. Sorry Sam-dude, I disagree. Occam’s razor. He has an unusual mental illness..or he’s a lying troll who’s lying about his trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/394 "2010-06-22T23:25:56Z")
If you think I’m trolling, report me. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/395 "2010-06-22T23:26:02Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > This is a flat lie. I never said their brains were different. Yes you did. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/396 "2010-06-22T23:27:00Z")
No I didn’t. Stop lying. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/397 "2010-06-22T23:30:22Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Your wiki definition of “discrimination” has no application to bakck people preferring black doctors because it does not involve any actual instance of people beimng discriminated against. WHITE people avoiding black doctors, like your apparently racist grandmother. Nice try at distorting your earlier argument, troll-boy. > [@Dio](#): > > Even if a white person only wants to be examned by a white doctor (I had a grandmother who refused to be examined by non-white doctors), that’s not discrimination, because the doctor isn’t being deprived of anything. > > Can you explain how you believe anybody is being injured or wronged by something like this? C’mon. You can lie better than this. Hell, you can troll better than this. You’ve managed to stay just barely on the non-trolling side of the line for about a decade. Let’s see some of that world-class trollery, trollboy. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/398 "2010-06-22T23:36:04Z")
Someone asks you: “You think white and black brains work differently?” You say: “There is scientific evidence backing it up.” You are now trying to claim that “it” referred to something not mentioned by the questioner and not mentioned by you in your response. Right. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/399 "2010-06-22T23:36:51Z")
It’s not discrimination either way. That’s not what discrimination means. If you think I’m trolling, report me. I will not respond to any more of that kind of baiting. That, in itself, is trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888/400 "2010-06-22T23:37:54Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Someone asks you: “You think white and black brains work differently?” > > You say: “There is scientific evidence backing it up.” > > You are now trying to claim that “it” referred to something not mentioned by the questioner and not mentioned by you in your response. > > Right. Read the whole thread. It was about brains being _trained_ differently, not about genetic differences. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-at-it-again-and-raising-the-bar/543888.md?page=21)