# Dio the ballbag **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090 "2010-05-11T19:48:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/1 "2010-05-11T19:48:34Z")
No fancy OP here, this fuckwit doesnt deserve one. > **[Can a minor look older than 18?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=562643)** > > In the thread Why is ignorance of age not an excuse?, Diogenes the Cynic has made the assertion that no 15 year old can ever be mistaken for a 21 year old: This is even after multiple people have told him that it does happen (and his own post... > **[Why is ignorance of age not an excuse?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=562382)** > > I was reading the thread here about Lawrence Taylor’s arrest and someone said that his ignorance of the girls age would not prevent charges against him. If I have consensual sex with someone that looks and acts like a 21 year old and has fake ID to... Look you fucking moron, just SHUT THE FUCK UP. You are nothing but a trolling prick, who knows damn well that all these blanket statements and “I am always right” posturing is carefully inserted just to piss people off. You really think that everybody in those threads, all those doctors, women, men with direct ancedotal evidence, they are all just perverts trying to justify their sick urges? You really believe that? Like fuck you do, you are trolling like a motherfucker and its contemptible. Diogenie the cynic. Proof that god doesnt exist, for if he did, how could he allow a trolling fucker like that to be born. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Walking\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/90ced4/32.png) [@The\_Walking\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Walking_Dude)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/2 "2010-05-11T20:02:26Z")
I thought one of these may show up eventually. I won’t speak for all interactions with Dio, but in this case I agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/3 "2010-05-11T20:04:54Z")
Meh. It just looks like garden-variety imperviousness to evidence, similar to flat-earthism or creationism or Birtherism\* or whatever. Hardly worth a Pitting. \*a particularly apropos analogy, as part of Dio’s argument (if one chooses to apply that term to it) is that identity documents are not 100% reliable and may therefore be treated as having zero evidentiary value ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/4 "2010-05-11T20:08:14Z")
No, no, the women don’t want to fuck kids, we want the men to fuck kids. Weren’t you paying attention? I wholeheartedly approve of this Pitting. If I weren’t an atheist, I’d be begging the PTB that \*\*Dio \*\*gets fooled by a teenage girl and charged with statutory rape. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/5 "2010-05-11T20:14:38Z")
Dio isn’t a troll. On issues of sexuality he has very strong opinions that often have no basis in fact. He’s pig-headed and can’t admit mistakes, but he’s not trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Tastes\_of\_Chocolate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tastes_of_chocolate/32/3232_2.png) [@Tastes\_of\_Chocolate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tastes_of_Chocolate)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/6 "2010-05-11T20:14:58Z")
“Of course I’ll know” “But how will you know?” “I’ll just know, of course” (Channeling my inner Yul Brynner) Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera! ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/7 "2010-05-11T20:16:41Z")
**Dio** used to be a good poster, right? Making cogent arguments and being rational? Circa '96 or '07? Or am I crazy? Now he’s just a curmudgeon, completely disregarding information in lieu of spouting whatever makes him feel good at the moment. You see the same sort of thing with some of the conservative posters, but they get a lot of shit so I can see how their habits would degrade. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/8 "2010-05-11T20:16:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > No, no, the women don’t want to fuck kids, we want the men to fuck kids. Weren’t you paying attention? > > I wholeheartedly approve of this Pitting. If I weren’t an atheist, I’d be begging the PTB that \*\*Dio \*\*gets fooled by a teenage girl and charged with statutory rape. Not karmic enough. Charged with statutory rape, goes to trial, faces a jury of other **Diogenes** es who tune out after the opening statement and spend the rest of the trial practicing noose knots. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/9 "2010-05-11T20:21:18Z")
While I agree Dio is being somewhat dense in that thread, I still agree with him that the onus is on the adult to make sure his/her partner is above the age of consent. The fake ID’s, the “she looked older”, and the rest of the excuses just don’t persuade me. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/10 "2010-05-11T20:24:40Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > While I agree Dio is being somewhat dense in that thread, I still agree with him that the onus is on the adult to make sure his/her partner is above the age of consent. The fake ID’s, the “she looked older”, and the rest of the excuses just don’t persuade me. Is somebody looks 23 and has an ID that says she’s 23… then? Also need a birth certificate? Passport? Bone scan? Also, somewhat dense? Yeah, a neutron star is somewhat dense compared to a black hole. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/11 "2010-05-11T20:26:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > While I agree Dio is being somewhat dense in that thread, I still agree with him that the onus is on the adult to make sure his/her partner is above the age of consent. The fake ID’s, the “she looked older”, and the rest of the excuses just don’t persuade me. That’s one of the functions of the jury (in this case, to determine the credibility of the defense “I acted in good faith based on what I reasonably believed to be the facts of the situation”). ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/12 "2010-05-11T20:28:47Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Is somebody looks 23 and has an ID that says she’s 23… then? Also need a birth certificate? Passport? Bone scan? > > Also, somewhat dense? Yeah, a neutron star is somewhat dense compared to a black hole. Not to re-hash that whole other thread, that I didn’t even read, but I think there is relavancy here. When I was 23 and the chick looked 23, all I would have needed was an “Ok” from her. Now, as a 44 year old, if she looks 23 … what the hell is she doing talking to me in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/13 "2010-05-11T20:31:23Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Dio isn’t a troll. True. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > He’s pig-headed Also true. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > and can’t admit mistakes, Mostly true. I once persuaded him to ease back on an absolutist assertion that he was clamped onto; that was several years ago, though. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > but he’s not trolling. Again, true. Sorry, **Dio**. I’ll always consider you an asset to the liberal community (such as it is), but I won’t pretend that you don’t always make it easy to keep the ledger in the black, so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/14 "2010-05-11T20:34:17Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Is somebody looks 23 and has an ID that says she’s 23… then? Also need a birth certificate? Passport? Bone scan? Ronco’s new home dendrochronology kit, only $14.99! ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/15 "2010-05-11T20:37:58Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Dio isn’t a troll. On issues of sexuality he has very strong opinions that often have no basis in fact. He’s pig-headed and can’t admit mistakes, but he’s not trolling. In the “Why is ignorance of age not an excuse?” thread, he said if someone slipped drugs in my drink at a juice bar, that I should be guilty of a DUI should a cop pull me over, even if I could prove I did not know I had ingested drugs and that someone drugged me. One of the reasons he gave that I should be guilty of a DUI is that I should have been paying closer attention to my drink. I don’t believe he’s that stupid and actually believes this. I also think not admitting mistakes is a form of trolling, at least when people keep responding to his posts and he pretends that he wasn’t wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/16 "2010-05-11T20:38:01Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Is somebody looks 23 and has an ID that says she’s 23… then? Also need a birth certificate? Passport? Bone scan? Just like with STD’s, pregnancy, and the crazy; you deal with the consequences of having sex with someone. God forbid you know someone well enough to know they aren’t being dishonest with you before you fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/17 "2010-05-11T20:38:49Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > While I agree Dio is being somewhat dense in that thread, I still agree with him that the onus is on the adult to make sure his/her partner is above the age of consent. The fake ID’s, the “she looked older”, and the rest of the excuses just don’t persuade me. I agree, but you should only really expect someone to be reasonable. Sure, if someone very clearly looks too young, then I might question the ID; similarly, if someone looks like they might be too young, then I guess one should ask for ID. But if someone certainly looks old enough (not could pass for, but much more likely to be old enough than not based on appearance) AND has ID, what else should a reasonable person be expected to do? ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/18 "2010-05-11T20:40:31Z")
You guys are missing the point: Dio is an “Expert” - it says so right underneath his username. So, in other words, he chose to anoint himself as “Expert” - just like [John Hodgman](http://www.thedailyshow.com/news-team/john-hodgman), the Resident Expert on the Daily Show. Both are eruditer-than-thou pompous windbags who expect to be treated like an authority but end up looking more than a little foolish. I have no dog in the Dio hunt - I have no interest in getting into his Old Testament debates where he can prove he can out-Bible folks at 60 paces, or in the American Idol threads where he proves he can dismiss contestants faster than Simon Cowell. And certainly not in the “Can you look older than a Minor?” thread - eesh. When a guy picks out Expert for himself, you have to let go of trying to change his mind - he’s a freakin’ Expert and you aren’t, you know. 😉 But you can sure as hell mock his deluded sense of himself. You, sir, are an Expert, and I mock you for that. Mock mock mock! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/19 "2010-05-11T20:40:41Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Dio isn’t a troll. On issues of sexuality he has very strong opinions that often have no basis in fact. He’s pig-headed and can’t admit mistakes, but he’s not trolling. Yeah, I can’t really get behind this thread even though I was smashing my head on his brick wall in the other. **Dio** is simply notoriously irrational about this subject, IIRC having kids of his own. I’ve seen him reluctantly give way on other subjects he chooses to be hardheaded about, but never when it comes to young women and sexual activity. It’s eyeroll-inducing, but more or less understandable. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090/20 "2010-05-11T20:41:08Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > That’s one of the functions of the jury (in this case, to determine the credibility of the defense “I acted in good faith based on what I reasonably believed to be the facts of the situation”). Actually the function of the jury is to find guilt or innocence if it is a strict liability crime. It’s the function of the judge to find mitigating factors that would permit him to handle a case like that on a case by case basis. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dio-the-ballbag/539090.md?page=2)