# Diogenes, a word about your behavior.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2006, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223 "2006-08-25T17:08:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/121 "2006-08-25T20:24:01Z")
[QUOTE=Maureen] Right, but again, he didn’t know that at first. Nor did his wife. As I said earlier, hysterical pregnancy so closely mimics a regular pregnancy, it’s impossible to tell the difference without an ultrasound. Hormonal and physical changes, all usually caused by an intense desire to have a child and causing yourself to believe- not just think “maybe I’m pregnant”- but _believe_ so intensely that there is no question in your mind that you are pregnant. Your body plays a very dirty trick on itself. [/QUOTE] Again, I’m not saying it’s not bad. I’m saying it’s not AS bad as losing a real child. ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/122 "2006-08-25T20:24:34Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] And yet, he continues to do just that. [/QUOTE] Oh, did you mean here in the pit? I think that’s a pretty good time and place… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/123 "2006-08-25T20:25:21Z")
[QUOTE=Walter Windchill] I think what Swan meant to say is, “oh, I think you misread me. I merely meant that his _contact_ was limited.” But why not mix a little poison into every post? After all, every one of us is just too good to be true, our shit the odor of perfume, and anyone who dares question us or have a slightly different opinion is a repugnant beast, fit for nothing but the toes of our boots. [/QUOTE] You’re probably right, but I don’t particularly enjoy being misrepresented twice. I didn’t even know what she was talking about the first time, yet that wasn’t a big enough clue that s/he misunderstood the situation. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/124 "2006-08-25T20:25:39Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Again, I’m not saying it’s not bad. I’m saying it’s not AS bad as losing a real child. [/QUOTE] Please stop digging, **Diogenes**. It’s painful to watch. > [@mr. p](#): > > Oh my god. Would you give the guy a break? If one time you make an insensitive remark (which is also truthful) then your wife and kids probably have a bad life? Who said anything about “one time”? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/125 "2006-08-25T20:25:49Z")
[QUOTE=The Swan] Bullshit. “Very limited” was in reference to “human contact”. If you think that means I consider Dio’s family to be “barely human” then you need to apply for a clue. [/QUOTE] Well, what did you mean by your remark, then? Does **Dio** live in some kind of a bell jar where his only contact is with those who have aligned themselves with him, for il or good? What the hell does it mean? Surely the man works and interacts with others on a daily basis–unless I find he is in solitary at the State Pen. Does he taint all those he come in contact with? 😕 You were insulting **Dio** and his family, for what good purpose? To score a point on a message board? WTH? This whole thing has gotten waay too weird. Y’all take your umbrage and enjoy your feeding frenzy. I guess Friday’s are good days for righteous indignation around here. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/126 "2006-08-25T20:25:50Z")
[QUOTE=Maureen] Right, but again, he didn’t know that at first. Nor did his wife. As I said earlier, hysterical pregnancy so closely mimics a regular pregnancy, it’s impossible to tell the difference without an ultrasound. Hormonal and physical changes, all usually caused by an intense desire to have a child and causing yourself to believe- not just think “maybe I’m pregnant”- but _believe_ so intensely that there is no question in your mind that you are pregnant. Your body plays a very dirty trick on itself. [/QUOTE] I don’t think it counts as a “hysterical pregnancy” when there’s actually a yolk sac and stuff, does it? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/127 "2006-08-25T20:26:50Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] He’d still be wrong in that assumption. [/QUOTE] I didn’t assume that was the case. I said it was the impression your post gave. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/128 "2006-08-25T20:27:00Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Think about it. If you had to choose going through a false pregnancy or the loss of say, a six month old baby, would you have any trouble at all in making that decision? Do you really think the latter is not worse than the former? [/QUOTE] If you had to choose between loosing your duaghter instantly in a car accident, or in a long, painful battle against leukemia? Since the latter is clearly worse than the former, does that give you the right to tell people who have lost their children in car accidents how sad they should feel? ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/129 "2006-08-25T20:27:07Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I just think that comparing a false pregnancy (as rotten and as heartbreaking as it may be) to the loss of an actual child (or even fetus) is a little hyperbolic. [/QUOTE] To them, though, it WAS a fetus until they were told that it wasn’t. I can see why you’d draw a distinction between a living child and an unborn one, but between one that never developed (this was not a hysterical pregnancy by the way, a yolk sac was present) and one that died at 12 weeks makes absolutely no logical sense. The parents in the last two cases would not have been able to know the difference between them until the tragedy stuck in any case. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/130 "2006-08-25T20:27:36Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] And yet, he continues to do just that. [/QUOTE] No I don’t. I haven’t posted a thing in that thread (or even opened it) since the post where I said I didn’t want to hijack it anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/131 "2006-08-25T20:29:20Z")
[QUOTE=mr. jp] (Upon learning that Diogenes has a wife and kids.) Oh my god. Would you give the guy a break? If one time you make an insensitive remark (which is also truthful) then your wife and kids probably have a bad life? [/QUOTE] First, no, it’s NOT truthful, and second, it’s certainly NOT the first time **Diogenes** has acted like an ass. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/132 "2006-08-25T20:29:35Z")
[QUOTE=eleanorigby] Well, what did you mean by your remark, then? Does **Dio** live in some kind of a bell jar where his only contact is with those who have aligned themselves with him, for il or good? What the hell does it mean? Surely the man works and interacts with others on a daily basis–unless I find he is in solitary at the State Pen. Does he taint all those he come in contact with? 😕 You were insulting **Dio** and his family, for what good purpose? To score a point on a message board? WTH? [/QUOTE] Please, oh PLEASE, tell me how I’ve insulted his family. Please. Seriously, how many people have to explain it to you (4 so far) before you realize that I was referring to those 3 people as limited contact, not “limited humans” or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/133 "2006-08-25T20:29:35Z")
My wife and I have recently experienced a miscarriage, and earlier some possibly worse things, depending on your perspective. I wonder how many people in this thread actually have. Sad to say, but if you’re in the boat we’re in, you start to get used to it. We’ve got friends we’ve met through the ART conference circles who’ve been through it five or six times. It’s all discussed rather matter-of-factly. Basic human adaptability, I suppose. I’m not sure I could get used to losing newborn babies, though. I don’t think many of us could, having grown up in the USA. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/134 "2006-08-25T20:31:31Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Again, I’m not saying it’s not bad. I’m saying it’s not AS bad as losing a real child. [/QUOTE] To you. Not as bad _to you_. And you are completely entitled to feel that way. To saddad and to others, not so much. And asking people to admit that it isn’t as bad is asking them to quantify their emotions based on your judgement of what is worse. Not cool. It would be a funny old world if we all reacted the same way to every situation, no? ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/135 "2006-08-25T20:32:01Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] If you had to choose between loosing your duaghter instantly in a car accident, or in a long, painful battle against leukemia? Since the latter is clearly worse than the former, does that give you the right to tell people who have lost their children in car accidents how sad they should feel? [/QUOTE] Nope. But he has to the right to tell people who lost their child in a car accident that they didn’t lose they child to leukemia ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/136 "2006-08-25T20:32:19Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] If you had to choose between loosing your duaghter instantly in a car accident, or in a long, painful battle against leukemia? Since the latter is clearly worse than the former, does that give you the right to tell people who have lost their children in car accidents how sad they should feel? [/QUOTE] First, this is false analogy because both scenarios involve an actual death. A false pregnancy does not (not even of a fetus). Second, I didn’t tell anybody how they should feel. I offered an ill-advised opinion about how they should have _advertised_ what happened in a thread title. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/137 "2006-08-25T20:32:40Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] If you had to choose between loosing your duaghter instantly in a car accident, or in a long, painful battle against leukemia? Since the latter is clearly worse than the former, does that give you the right to tell people who have lost their children in car accidents how sad they should feel? [/QUOTE] Or how about-what’s more painful, losing a five year old child, or an adult child, who’s grown up? Would someone have told my grandparents that, oh well, at least my aunt got to grow up and have a full life? That my grandmother shouldn’t have grieved as she did? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/138 "2006-08-25T20:32:59Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] If you had to choose between loosing your duaghter instantly in a car accident, or in a long, painful battle against leukemia? Since the latter is clearly worse than the former, does that give you the right to tell people who have lost their children in car accidents how sad they should feel? [/QUOTE] Exactly. Should those people “man up”? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/139 "2006-08-25T20:33:44Z")
[QUOTE=The Swan] Please, oh PLEASE, tell me how I’ve insulted his family. Please. Seriously, how many people have to explain it to you (4 so far) before you realize that I was referring to those 3 people as limited contact, not “limited humans” or whatever. [/QUOTE] I get that. But I am trying to get you to explain how his family is \*\*Dio’s \*\* “limited contact” with humans. Why would you say such a thing? It doesn’t even make sense. It was **excal** who was the more insulting towards **Dio’s** family re the whole “wondering what life must be like for them”. I do not equate the two of you, but IMO, one of you holds the tar, the other, the feathers. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223/140 "2006-08-25T20:34:51Z")
[QUOTE=mr. jp] Nope. But he has to the right to tell people who lost their child in a car accident that they didn’t lose they child to leukemia [/QUOTE] Does he have a right to tell them to “man up”, or call them “self righteous”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-a-word-about-your-behavior/370223.md?page=8)