# Diogenes, go take a nap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306 "2010-09-19T17:42:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/201 "2010-09-20T18:01:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There’s a difference between having an opinion on the law and simply knowing what it is. No there isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/202 "2010-09-20T18:02:13Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m just a loudmouth. Also, it’s a message board, so I can vent more colorfuly than I can IRL. You’ve described yourself elsewhere as a “total pussy” IRL. Do you think you might be compensating by being overly aggressive on this MB? ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/203 "2010-09-20T18:02:31Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I’ve not read the original thread on this topic, but what he’s posted to this point in this thread is entirely consistent with his summary statement here. So you’ll perhaps understand when people point to this as evidence of his being a smug jerk and the cause of their outrage, and the “Dio Show” and all this flies over my head. Let me help then. This is The Pit the original thread was IMHO. Leaving aside the issue of factuality, his comments were rude in that forum and thread… and jerkish. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/204 "2010-09-20T18:03:48Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > He was clearly referring to the legal definition. No I wasn’t. I never even thought about it in legal terms. I was thinking about the practical definition. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/205 "2010-09-20T18:05:27Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > There’s a difference between having an opinion on the law and simply knowing what it is. > > No there isn’t. Are you being serious. Are these two statements equivalent? 1. I believe that abortion should be ilegal. 2. Abortion is illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/206 "2010-09-20T18:06:57Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I’m just a loudmouth. Also, it’s a message board, so I can vent more colorfuly than I can IRL. > > You’ve described yourself elsewhere as a “total pussy” IRL. Do you think you might be compensating by being overly aggressive on this MB? No. I have no problem expressing my opinion IRL. I don’t go around offering it unsolicited, though. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/207 "2010-09-20T18:10:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > > > You’ve described yourself elsewhere as a “total pussy” IRL. Do you think you might be compensating by being overly aggressive on this MB? > > No. I have no problem expressing my opinion IRL. I don’t go around offering it unsolicited, though. You know there is a difference between calling a spade a spade and calling it a shit-flinger, right? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/208 "2010-09-20T18:14:51Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I don’t go around offering it unsolicited, though. Pussy. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/209 "2010-09-20T18:15:51Z")
No thanks, I’m married. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/210 "2010-09-20T18:16:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No thanks, I’m married. No you’re not. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/211 "2010-09-20T18:21:06Z")
Haha! ETA: laughing at Dio rejecting MOL’s ‘offer’. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/212 "2010-09-20T18:24:31Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@PlainJain](#): > > > > Of course it hasn’t. That’s what the Dio Defenders use to try to make it our fault. We’re all happily, calmly posting along because we choose to. > > > > This thread is a good example of what pisses people off about\*\* Dio\*\*. > > > > 1. He has driven it off topic. > > 2. He rudely states inflammatory opinions as facts. > > 3. He continues on and on and on. > > 4. A few posters finally do the work and provide actual cites he is wrong, then.. > > 5. Rather than providing alternate or contradicting cites he declares the cites horseshit because they do no agree with his opinion. > > > > I find particularly funny that in the “Ask the crazy settler” thread he is happy to defer to the law because it matches his opinion (in his head) but here when it doesn’t match his opinion, it’s horseshit. Gold! > > There’s a difference between having an opinion on the law and simply knowing what it is. Yeah, and usually you’re the former. I’ve never seen you be the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/213 "2010-09-20T18:25:13Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > No, he went from stating that it absolutely wasn’t to stating that in his opinion it shouldn’t be. Not the same thing. You’ve hit the nail on the head here, and this is what constitutes jerkish behaviour. It’s his OPINION. Unfortunately, by stating it as FACT, and then ignoring or refusing to acknowledge citations to the contrary, he comes across as a jerk. ETA: Dio, stop expressing your opinions as unvarnished, glowing FACTS, and you won’t come across as a gigantic flaming asshole. Unless that is in fact your desired outcome. In that case, carry on. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/214 "2010-09-20T18:25:32Z")
I’m not sure there’s anything left to add about the annoyance and frustration caused by **Dio** ’s hijacks of what should be interesting threads. If he really does give a tiny shit about what people care and what they think of him, I wish he’d take some of the well intentioned suggestions to heart and dial it back a notch. It’s gotton well beyond a pain in the ass to even attempt to read a thread he’s participating in. That’s fucked up. > [@mhendo](#): > > > [@MeanOldLady](#): > > > > If I had a nickel for every time a thread I _was_ interested in was completely ruined and trampled over by The Dio Show, I would have $8.37 exactly. > > Actually, if the money was being doled out in nickels, as you suggest, it would be impossible for you to have exactly $8.37, because your total would have to be divisible by 5. I think there’s a misunderstanding in that you’re thinking of her as the **GeometricMeanOldLady** and what she posted was useful for sets of positive numbers that are interpreted according to their product and not their sum (as is the case with the arithmetic mean) e.g. rates of growth. In fact, she strikes me more as The **HarmonicMeanOldLady** and what she proposed was to be an average useful for sets of numbers which are defined in relation to some unit, for example speed (distance per unit of time). The .07, indivisable by 5, was the result of an unnamed time component, TVM for example, to which only she was privy. ---
**Author:** ![AmericanMaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@AmericanMaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AmericanMaid)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/215 "2010-09-20T18:35:34Z")
**Diogenes the Cynic** obviously has certain topics that flip him into asshole mode. He completely hijacked my Single Mother By Choice topic just because he wanted to get out some father’s rights rantings. And there was the child riding the subway topic he went cuckoo for cocoa puffs in so in summary he turns into a complete fuck nugget for topics including but not limited to children and pregnancy. Prime example of his my experience = fact BS: after a discussion on fertility and age in my Single Mothers topic his 24 karat observation was that his wife got pregnant in her 40’s so fertility issues aren’t a big deal. Can someone please make him go away? ---
**Author:** ![multimediac17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/839c29/32.png) [@multimediac17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/multimediac17)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/216 "2010-09-20T18:50:11Z")
Why don’t you just _rap_ all your bullshit, **Dio**? I’m sure you’ll have everyone gathering around to give you a pat on the back if you exclusively post in the form of a rap. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/217 "2010-09-20T19:16:18Z")
_I’m the D to the T to the C-C-C!_ ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/218 "2010-09-20T19:18:07Z")
Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/219 "2010-09-20T19:22:47Z")
Ok, fine. Bringing up Peace Corps service in a thread about the relative risk of young, intrepid, do-gooder types oing into very foreign and relatively dangerous places was totally irrelevant and uncalled for. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/220 "2010-09-20T19:23:58Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > **Hentor** , the people you are responding to are simply expressing their opinions, which happen to be contrary to yours. Why are you continuing to engage them, unless you are just trying to “get them!” by forcing them to knuckle under? They’re making me do it. They’re being complete JERKS by expressing their opinion of Diogenes as established FACT without prefacing everything THEY say as “in my opinion”. If only they were expressing their opinions NICELY and with all kinds of CAVEATS, instead of saying them FORCEFULLY as FACTS I would not be compelled to continue to browbeat them into submitting to an agreement with my position. I’m so INSECURE in my own opinions that having other people express theirs FORCEFULLY without stating up front that it is only another different OPINION threatens me terribly. I’m unable to avoid engaging with them on this topic, and I may in fact be compelled to bring them up in multiple other threads even when they don’t participate in those threads. I’ve even come to conceptualize them as “Diogenes Attackers,” (with capitalization like that) and to see them as a single entity that I am opposed to. I’ve sent back-channel messages to **Larry Borgia** in order to try to form an opposition band. I’m hoping to recruit **elucidator** as a like-minded compatriot to the cause. That way, I’ll feel assured of my own opinion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306.md?page=12)