# Diogenes, go take a nap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306 "2010-09-19T17:42:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/281 "2010-09-21T02:20:39Z")
His daughters will reach sexual maturity at some point, and will be desirable to someone. So what I said was 100% true. If 100% truth offends somebody, that’s their problem. Would you rather I said they’d die before maturity or be ugly or something? How is that an improvement? ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/282 "2010-09-21T02:23:47Z")
Well, you could have left his daughters out of it entirely… Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/283 "2010-09-21T02:25:38Z")
What, and be censored? That’s Nazi-talk, buddy! ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/284 "2010-09-21T02:25:58Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > His daughters will reach sexual maturity at some point, and will be desirable to someone. > > So what I said was 100% true. If 100% truth offends somebody, that’s their problem. > > Would you rather I said they’d die before maturity or be ugly or something? How is that an improvement? The one lesson that we can all take from **Dio** is that if at some point something may be true it is perfectly legitimate to be a jerk about it. This post, while incredibly provocative, is quite apropos in that regard. That said, that was one hell of a jerkish thing to say. Why race **Dio** to the bottom? He’s still going to beat you, he always wins that race. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/285 "2010-09-21T02:29:05Z")
I can’t resist a challenge. Though I guess I’ve already lost that race, since I know how to refrain in non-Pit threads, while Dio’s filter is, by his own admission, intermittent. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/286 "2010-09-21T02:31:58Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > What, and be censored? That’s Nazi-talk, buddy! _Head flapping furiously_ I’m not your buddy, pal! Enjoy, eh? Steven ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/287 "2010-09-21T02:33:28Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > Well, you could have left his daughters out of it entirely… I think it was a teaching tool. And a damn fine one at that. How **Dio** doesn’t see the comparison to his own douchery is beyond me. But if he was perceptive we wouldn’t be having this thread, would we? Still I’m glad **BE** did it and not me… because really, I thought about it. ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/288 "2010-09-21T02:36:05Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > > [@Mtgman](#): > > > > Well, you could have left his daughters out of it entirely… > > I think it was a teaching tool. And a damn fine one at that. How **Dio** doesn’t see the comparison to his own douchery is beyond me. But if he was perceptive we wouldn’t be having this thread, would we? > > Still I’m glad **BE** did it and not me… because really, I thought about it. Really?? Talking about someone fucking his daughter is a teaching tool because you don’t like his posting style? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/289 "2010-09-21T02:37:21Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > > > What, and be censored? That’s Nazi-talk, buddy! > > _Head flapping furiously_ I’m not your buddy, pal! > > Enjoy, eh? > Steven I’m not your pal, friend! ---
**Author:** ![rolandgunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cdc98d/32.png) [@rolandgunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rolandgunslinger)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/290 "2010-09-21T02:38:33Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > > > His daughters will reach sexual maturity at some point, and will be desirable to someone. > > > > So what I said was 100% true. If 100% truth offends somebody, that’s their problem. > > > > Would you rather I said they’d die before maturity or be ugly or something? How is that an improvement? > > The one lesson that we can all take from **Dio** is that if at some point something may be true it is perfectly legitimate to be a jerk about it. This post, while incredibly provocative, is quite apropos in that regard. > > That said, that was one hell of a jerkish thing to say. Why race **Dio** to the bottom? He’s still going to beat you, he always wins that race. I agree leave the kids out of it. But, **Dio** has has shown bruise that some people are gonna take a poke at. They know any mention of his daughters (in an inappropriate way) is gonna raise his hackles. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/291 "2010-09-21T02:41:57Z")
> [@Caridwen](#): > > Really?? Talking about someone fucking his daughter is a teaching tool because you don’t like his posting style? First, no, I wasn’t going to talk about someone fucking his daughter. Just a true but dubious type remark to show that “factually true” doesn’t mean it’s not jerkish. But it was just a joke. Lighten up Francis. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/292 "2010-09-21T02:54:36Z")
> [@Caridwen](#): > > Really?? Talking about someone fucking his daughter is a teaching tool because you don’t like his posting style? Well, if you like I can suggest you favour the opposite extreme, i.e. his daughters get religion, join a Catholic order, die after long lives as virginal nuns, having worked tirelessly for decades to spread the Word of Christ and discourage the use of Satanic birth control. ---
**Author:** ![rolandgunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cdc98d/32.png) [@rolandgunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rolandgunslinger)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/293 "2010-09-21T02:56:43Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > > [@Caridwen](#): > > > > Really?? Talking about someone fucking his daughter is a teaching tool because you don’t like his posting style? > > Well, if you like I can suggest you favour the opposite extreme, i.e. his daughters get religion, join a Catholic order, die after long lives as virginal nuns, having worked tirelessly for decades to spread the Word of Christ and discourage the use of Satanic birth control. Man that would be stepping over the line fer sure.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/294 "2010-09-21T03:49:16Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Guys, guys, can’t we all agree that I have the largest schlong in the SDMB? My post is my cite. Pix or it didn’t happen! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/295 "2010-09-21T04:36:59Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > > [@Caridwen](#): > > > > Really?? Talking about someone fucking his daughter is a teaching tool because you don’t like his posting style? > > Well, if you like I can suggest you favour the opposite extreme, i.e. his daughters get religion, join a Catholic order, die after long lives as virginal nuns, having worked tirelessly for decades to spread the Word of Christ and discourage the use of Satanic birth control. IIRC, his wife is Catholic, and his daughters are being raised as Catholic, going to parochial school, and all that jazz. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/296 "2010-09-21T04:56:58Z")
That’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/297 "2010-09-21T05:55:59Z")
> [@Klaatu](#): > > DtC says “Infertility is not a disability just because a judge says so.” > > So the settlements are illegal just because a judge says so? :dubious: Yeah, that looks like a total fail to me. Judges can rule on disability as defined by the law, but that’s not necessarily relevant to disability as the word is commonly used. To extend the example, yeah the settlements are illegal because a judge says so (assuming he’s backed on appeal.). They may or may not be wrong (that’s a matter for debate) but they are illegal. ## Full disclosure: I didn’t read either thread and can’t comment on Dio’s behavior. Well looks like Dio is winning on page 6 – though it’s hard not to gain moral authority when the leading post involves crude remarks about one’s kids. o\_O Yes sir, DtC certainly appears to be the class act on _this_ page. ---
**Author:** ![shamblesmaybe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@shamblesmaybe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shamblesmaybe)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/298 "2010-09-21T07:41:09Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Some people were saying that pubic hair on a woman “wasn’t feminine.” A patently stupid and misogynist sentiment which is not made correct by the fact than men have pubic hair too. > > Ooh, attributing evil motives to those who don’t say something precisely the exact way you think it should be said. That’s nice. > > Dio, you agree that women often shave their pubes whereas men don’t do it that often, correct? That’s all the post you originally responded to was saying. And then you brought the crazy. Seeing as we are in the pit and seemingly anything goes, why don’t you read what people write then take just a moment to think about it before you post? That way you and a couple of other people won’t look like cunts. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/299 "2010-09-21T10:34:45Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Well looks like Dio is winning on page 6 – though it’s hard not to gain moral authority when the leading post involves crude remarks about one’s kids. o\_O Yes sir, DtC certainly appears to be the class act on _this_ page. The point should be clear enough - it’s possible to say things that are true in a jerkish manner. It’s not even an insult to say Dio’s kids will be sexually attractive some day - the reverse, that they will _never_ be, is far worse. And if truth is a defense, even if it requires generous or disingenuous or overly literal or overly fussy values of “truth” (and saying his kids will one day have sex is hardly any of these), I can only calculate that if anyone can claim moral authority in a contest between Dio and I… well, I’m not claiming it, but I certainly _could_ because a number of his “true” statements that, for example, belittle the infertile and whatnot are worse. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/300 "2010-09-21T11:00:32Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That comparison still fails to have any validity because I never made any assertion about the law as it pertains to whether infertility is a “disability/” If I had ever said it wasn’t the law, you’d have a point. You never made \*any \*assertion about the law? So who was at the keyboard when this was typed? [QUOTE=You] Wow, what a horseshit ruling. [/QUOTE] And it’s all a red herring anyway, because you only brought up the disability dodge to avoid addressing my question about your ridiculous claim that only health related issues are medical issues. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306.md?page=16)