# Diogenes, go take a nap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306 "2010-09-19T17:42:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/41 "2010-09-20T00:34:02Z")
Good timing! I was just thinking that if we dug a pit, and put **Rand Rover** and **Diogenes the Cynic** in it, then covered it with a device to turn self-centered, illogical arguments into energy… Well, let’s just say we’d have a shitload of energy. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/42 "2010-09-20T00:38:28Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Alessan](#): > > > > Pitting \*\*Dio \*\*is pointless. He’s invariably relaxed, reasonable and even amicable when pitted, because by default, he’s the center of attention. It’s only when the thread \*isn’t \*about him that he acts out in order to get people to notice him. > > I don’t enjoy being pitted and never think about trying to get attention. The aspects of my psychology that get me pitted are honestly not grounded in attempts to be provocative or cause reactions (or get attention), but in impulsiveness, lack of filter (that may be getting worse with age), a few hair-trigger issues and a hyperbolic style that often comes over as more literal than I intend it to. I don’t post with calculating or long-range motives. I just sometimes pop off without thinking at all. I think people give me too much credit. I’m not calculating or devious. I’m just a loudmouth. Also, it’s a message board, so I can vent more colorfuly than I can IRL. I accept what you admit here. You/we need to do something about this. Any ideas? \*\*And, NO, I’m not asking other posters for their ideas. I’m asking Dio. \*\* Dio–respond in email. If you respond publically, it will just continue this unproductive thing. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/43 "2010-09-20T01:10:45Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I don’t enjoy being pitted and never think about trying to get attention. The aspects of my psychology that get me pitted are honestly not grounded in attempts to be provocative or cause reactions (or get attention), but in impulsiveness, lack of filter (that may be getting worse with age), a few hair-trigger issues and a hyperbolic style that often comes over as more literal than I intend it to. I don’t post with calculating or long-range motives. I just sometimes pop off without thinking at all. I think people give me too much credit. I’m not calculating or devious. I’m just a loudmouth. Also, it’s a message board, so I can vent more colorfuly than I can IRL. > > I accept what you admit here. You/we need to do something about this. Any ideas? > > \*\*And, NO, I’m not asking other posters for their ideas. I’m asking Dio. \*\* > > Dio–respond in email. If you respond publically, it will just continue this unproductive thing. Why didn’t you just PM him this? Talk about embarrassing. “Hey buddy, you’ve got a problem, huh? How we gonna fix this little guy? Why don’t you step into my office and we’ll get this all taken care of.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/44 "2010-09-20T01:22:39Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Alessan](#): > > > > Pitting \*\*Dio \*\*is pointless. He’s invariably relaxed, reasonable and even amicable when pitted, because by default, he’s the center of attention. It’s only when the thread \*isn’t \*about him that he acts out in order to get people to notice him. > > I don’t enjoy being pitted and never think about trying to get attention. The aspects of my psychology that get me pitted are honestly not grounded in attempts to be provocative or cause reactions (or get attention), but in impulsiveness, lack of filter (that may be getting worse with age), a few hair-trigger issues and a hyperbolic style that often comes over as more literal than I intend it to. I don’t post with calculating or long-range motives. I just sometimes pop off without thinking at all. I think people give me too much credit. I’m not calculating or devious. I’m just a loudmouth. Also, it’s a message board, so I can vent more colorfuly than I can IRL. I appreciate your honesty here. And I know you’re not alone in this. I suggest you print this out and tape it to your wall. Then when you find yourself getting into an “Is” vs “Is not” battle, read it. I don’t expect it wold give you pause in every instance, nor should it, but it might prevent the most ridiculous fights, which would improve things for everyone. And you mainly. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/45 "2010-09-20T01:28:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No, it’s a legal fact. Really? I’ve asked twice in that other thread for the law being broken, and you have yet to respond. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/46 "2010-09-20T01:41:08Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No, it’s a legal fact. Please tell us, Diogenes, what is the test one may use to determine objectively whether a certain action is or is not against a particular law? Here’s a handy explanation of the difference between a fact and an opinion (complete with a quiz): [REBAHIN IDLIX - LK21 - Streaming Film Layarkaca21 INDOXXI Gratis](http://mrsdell.org/gr2/factopinion.html) ---
**Author:** ![Enuma\_Elish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Enuma\_Elish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enuma_Elish)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/47 "2010-09-20T01:48:26Z")
What everyone has to understand is this: Diogenes the Cynic is actually in real life Bret Favre…and he’s having a really really bad year! ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/48 "2010-09-20T02:10:05Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > What everyone has to understand is this: > > Diogenes the Cynic is actually in real life Bret Favre No wonder I can’t stand him. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/49 "2010-09-20T02:16:32Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I don’t enjoy being pitted and never think about trying to get attention. The aspects of my psychology that get me pitted are honestly not grounded in attempts to be provocative or cause reactions (or get attention), but in impulsiveness, lack of filter (that may be getting worse with age), a few hair-trigger issues and a hyperbolic style that often comes over as more literal than I intend it to. I don’t post with calculating or long-range motives. I just sometimes pop off without thinking at all. I think people give me too much credit. I’m not calculating or devious. I’m just a loudmouth. Also, it’s a message board, so I can vent more colorfuly than I can IRL. > > I accept what you admit here. You/we need to do something about this. Any ideas? > > \*\*And, NO, I’m not asking other posters for their ideas. I’m asking Dio. \*\* > > Dio–respond in email. If you respond publically, it will just continue this unproductive thing. Did you post this in your capacity as a poster or a moderator? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/50 "2010-09-20T02:18:49Z")
I think as some people (not all) get older they get somewhat more fixed in their world views, and are less willing to concede opposing views on issues very dear to them. I have a few hot buttons like this, and will usually just walk away if it’s clear the rhetorical ship is heading into “Does So-Does Not” territory, as repeatedly arguing over opinions vs facts is kind of pointless and (honestly) I’m rarely, if ever, personally invested enough in an any online discussion for it to be the rhetorical hill I want to die on. Diogenes has a fair number of hot buttons, and he is not willing to walk away or simply agree to disagree, or take nuanced postions on things. He will die on hill after hill. This is a great attribute for a crusader, but in casual arguments and discussions it makes people cross the street if they see you coming. If two debate or discussion participants are at pointless loggerheads in an online discussion it’s usually polite to step off the dance floor. Diogenes will not do this, and it makes for ponderous discussions and debates. He’s not breaking any rules, he’s just making arguments difficult with his black/white binary approach to debate. As people get older they often either take a more nuanced and relativistic position on things based on life experiences or they become more rigid. He’s made the latter choice and it’s a pity because he has a fine mind. ---
**Author:** ![shamblesmaybe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@shamblesmaybe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shamblesmaybe)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/51 "2010-09-20T02:19:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > No, it’s a legal fact. > > Really? I’ve asked twice in that other thread for the law being broken, and you have yet to respond. How’s this for a quick start? > [@](#): > > The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies. From [http://www.btselem.org/english/settlements/international\_law.asp](http://www.btselem.org/english/settlements/international_law.asp) ---
**Author:** ![silk1976](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@silk1976](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silk1976)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/52 "2010-09-20T02:28:22Z")
I browse around here more than I post, but I decided that Dio had issues when I saw a thread about when parents, who are otherwise good people, make the horrible mistake of forgetting that they have a child in the back seat and the baby gets cooked to death. Someone posted a link to an in depth article that went into a couple case studies where it was clear that in these cases, the parents are average everyday parents. The end conclusion was the typical ‘It can happen to anyone and that problem does not discriminate with regard to age, gender, social status, income, intelligence, and just about every other factor.’ To which Dio’s response was ‘I’m better than that’ and his reasoning for this ‘factual’ statement was essentially ‘because I say so’. Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/53 "2010-09-20T02:45:10Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > I accept what you admit here. You/we need to do something about this. Any ideas? > > \*\*And, NO, I’m not asking other posters for their ideas. I’m asking Dio. \*\* > > Dio–respond in email. If you respond publically, it will just continue this unproductive thing. WTF?! Are you serious? Before I say anything else I’d like to see an answer to **Rand** ’s question. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/54 "2010-09-20T02:52:44Z")
I have to admit finding some entertainment value in seeing how many warnings Dio is willing to rack up on a matter of principle, or seeing him try to get really really close to the warning line on a matter of principle, or really _anything_ on a matter of principle because his principles are amusing in a small-scale disaster kind of way, like a train crashing through a stalled 18-wheeler carrying chickens, scattering feathers everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/55 "2010-09-20T03:06:16Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > > [@samclem](#): > > > > I accept what you admit here. You/we need to do something about this. Any ideas? > > > > \*\*And, NO, I’m not asking other posters for their ideas. I’m asking Dio. \*\* > > > > Dio–respond in email. If you respond publically, it will just continue this unproductive thing. > > WTF?! Are you serious? Before I say anything else I’d like to see an answer to **Rand** ’s question. I’d rather have an answer to Clockwork’s question…why wasn’t that sent as a PM? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/56 "2010-09-20T03:12:39Z")
> [@shamblesmaybe](#): > > > [@Czarcasm](#): > > > > Really? I’ve asked twice in that other thread for the law being broken, and you have yet to respond. > > How’s this for a quick start? > > > [@](#): > > > > The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies. > > From > > [http://www.btselem.org/english/settlements/international\_law.asp](http://www.btselem.org/english/settlements/international_law.asp) Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/57 "2010-09-20T03:13:40Z")
Diogenes is obviously a precious little flower who must be publicly protected from us nasty imperfects by the moderators here. He is truly too perfect for this world. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/58 "2010-09-20T03:15:02Z")
> [@shamblesmaybe](#): > > > [@Czarcasm](#): > > > > Really? I’ve asked twice in that other thread for the law being broken, and you have yet to respond. > > How’s this for a quick start? > > > [@](#): > > > > The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies. > > From > > [http://www.btselem.org/english/settlements/international\_law.asp](http://www.btselem.org/english/settlements/international_law.asp) My Canadian government did not deport or transfer me from Ontario to British Columbia. I moved on my own volition. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/59 "2010-09-20T03:15:22Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > I’d rather have an answer to Clockwork’s question…why wasn’t that sent as a PM? That too, yes. That was just a bizarre post ( **samclem** ’s). Talk about baiting… ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306/60 "2010-09-20T03:18:54Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > [@shamblesmaybe](#): > > > > How’s this for a quick start? > > > > From > > > > [http://www.btselem.org/english/settlements/international\_law.asp](http://www.btselem.org/english/settlements/international_law.asp) > > My Canadian government did not deport or transfer me from Ontario to British Columbia. I moved on my own volition. As far as I know, British Columbia is not “occupied territory”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-go-take-a-nap/554306.md?page=4)