# Diogenes, what the hell!? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991 "2009-12-04T15:58:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/221 "2009-12-06T22:04:29Z")
I humbly request we retire the “then you hate fags too!” parry, at least for the remainder of this thread. It’s specious, but worse, completely ineffectual. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/222 "2009-12-06T23:42:28Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Am I really?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9604269&postcount=80) > > [You sure about that?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7132458&postcount=25) **Miller** , I’ll agree about the first\* but the second was a story about a case of spousal abuse. So I don’t think that’s a good example. \*Although I do think the girl had some self-esteem issues there. (NOT so much because she was into BDSM, just some statements she made about herself) ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/223 "2009-12-06T23:50:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I humbly request we retire the “then you hate fags too!” parry, at least for the remainder of this thread. It’s specious, but worse, completely ineffectual. Can you cite where anyone used that? I must’ve missed the post where anyone did that. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/224 "2009-12-07T00:02:37Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I humbly request we retire the “then you hate fags too!” parry, at least for the remainder of this thread. It’s specious, but worse, completely ineffectual. Tut-tut. So you hate the gays too? ---
**Author:** ![umop\_ap\_sdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/dbc845/32.png) [@umop\_ap\_sdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/umop_ap_sdn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/225 "2009-12-07T00:06:13Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Ladies and Gentlemen, Diogenes the Troll does his Fred Phelps impersonation. Man I wish I could “like” posts on here the way one can on Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/226 "2009-12-07T01:42:26Z")
I should have reread my post. Please know that it should read “I do NOT think that people who practice poly are evil or bad”. I did say so in my post, but my last line does not say that. :eek: I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/227 "2009-12-07T01:48:34Z")
Missed the edit window. **mwas** : I am tired of my posts not being read for comprehension. If you had read it, you would know that I said that CEs condemn homosexuals to hell. I myself do not believe in hell. And again, as I said in my post, (which you quoted and then misunderstood or misconstrued), I do not consider (I have never considered) homosexual marriage or adoption of children to be a threat to the nuclear family (or the extended family, come to that). I have quickly tired of this rather silly discussion and am done here. Enjoy yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/228 "2009-12-07T02:13:11Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Missed the edit window. > > **mwas** : I am tired of my posts not being read for comprehension. If you had read it, you would know that I said that CEs condemn homosexuals to hell. I myself do not believe in hell. And again, as I said in my post, (which you quoted and then misunderstood or misconstrued), I do not consider (I have never considered) homosexual marriage or adoption of children to be a threat to the nuclear family (or the extended family, come to that). > > I have quickly tired of this rather silly discussion and am done here. Enjoy yourselves. I read your post and comprehended it just fine. CE’s don’t condemn people to Hell as their doctrine doesn’t believe that they have such a power. But even so it doesn’t really matter. I am only concerned with how people treat people in THIS world. It’s all about how you treat people in the here and now. I didn’t think you did think that homosexuality was a threat to children. I was just pointing out your double-standard. One kind of sexuality is ok, another kind is deviant, and how you decide is arbitrary and based mostly on an ‘ick’ factor. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/229 "2009-12-07T03:08:25Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I for one find **Dio** ’s right wing conservatism appaling. Finally we capture one for our team! Take that you pinko liberals! Now, if we can make a tenther or birther out of him… ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/230 "2009-12-07T03:09:40Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Finally we capture one for our team! > Take that you pinko liberals! > Now, if we can make a tenther or birther out of him… I think you should go for Climate Truther. AGW is a hoax, the CRU is corrupt!!! ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/231 "2009-12-07T03:22:51Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I think you should go for Climate Truther. AGW is a hoax, the CRU is corrupt!!! We’ve got that area pretty well staffed. He might be a good addition to our 2nd ammendement team. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/232 "2009-12-07T03:26:13Z")
> [@umop\_ap\_sdn](#): > > Man I wish I could “like” posts on here the way one can on Facebook. Thank you. Note that his next move will be to back off on his initial statement, saying that “maybe he overstated it a bit” or “perhaps he was just too harsh” or (my personal favorite and his), his “wife” will allegedly have been reading over his shoulder and is telling him he’s being an asshole so he retracts what he said. Dopers who aren’t as familiar with his trolling will then congratulate him on having “class”. The rest of us will just roll our eyes and wait for next season of “Brother Dio’s Traveling Trolling Show”. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/233 "2009-12-07T04:43:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yes, you said monogamous, and then you objected to polygamous couples not being married. It’s there in black in white. No, I didn’t. This sentence doesn’t even make sense. “Polygamous couple” is a contradiction in terms, and polygamous people are married, by definition. I didn’t “object” to anything, I just asked you why you changed the subject from polyamory to polygamy. > [@](#): > > Oh, please. Polygamy is a form of polyamory. Just because I used the far more common form of the more general term doesn’t mean I’m not talking about it. Polygamy refers to nothing but the marriage of a male to multiple wives. It’s a marital status which may or may not be polyamorous in a mutual sense. Most polygamous marriages do not include sexual or romatic relationships between the women, nor do they allow the women to have relationships with other men. Most significantly for my posts, however, all I did was ask you why you changed the subject from polyamory to polygamy. Even if you want to say that polygamy is sub-category of polyamory, that’s irrelevant since the scenario that spawned this thread did not involve polygamy. > [@](#): > > Such as the very person on this MB you got Pitted over a few years ago; said Pit thread having been referenced up thread. That person wasn’t part of a polygamous marriage. Please try to be precise with your terminology. The words “polyamory,” and “Polygamy” are not interchangeable. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/234 "2009-12-07T04:45:40Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Your marriage isn’t either, then. I’ve heard you talking about it on this board enough that it couldn’t possibly be loving. Your wife is deluding herself into accepting your harmful, abusive company. Your children are going to grow up to be damaged, lost souls. > > See how that works? I don’t have any illusions that you’ll get it, but one can always hope. > > PS. I have exactly as much standing and evidence to talk about your family in this way as you do about mine or pretty much anyone else that you haven’t met and known for a long time. yes, you do. The only difference, apparently, is that I don’t care what you think about my family, and am not going to get all butthurt and whiny about it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/235 "2009-12-07T04:50:42Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Ladies and Gentlemen, Diogenes the Troll does his Fred Phelps impersonation. > > Diogenes, how do you feel about the idea of non-traditional families? I don’t give fuck one about them. > [@](#): > > So dear reader, what do you think Diogenes the Troll might say about same-sex relationships where the participants had children first? > > I’d guess he’d say something like _this_. Nope. I never defined what the gender of the parents had to be. It’s whoever the legal parents/guardians are. If a gay couple is raising a child, then they are parents with a family. If they choose to fuck people besides each other, then they are fucking people outside the family. People do not become family members and co-parents just because you fuck them. > [@](#): > > Of course, he could just deny that the sentence above works just as well with same sex couples as it does with poly couples or any other relationship he and Mr Phelps disagree with, but then, if he disagreed with it he’d be more of a trolling hypocrite than normal. It’s NOT the same, moron. Pay attention to what I actually say. There’s nothing fucking hypocritical about it. “Non-traditional” has nothing to do with it. Making shit up that people didn;t say is trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/236 "2009-12-07T04:53:35Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Can you cite where anyone used that? I must’ve missed the post where anyone did that. Read the **Fenris** post I just replied to. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/237 "2009-12-07T04:57:55Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Thank you. > > Note that his next move will be to back off on his initial statement, saying that “maybe he overstated it a bit” or “perhaps he was just too harsh” or (my personal favorite and his), his “wife” will allegedly have been reading over his shoulder and is telling him he’s being an asshole so he retracts what he said. > > Dopers who aren’t as familiar with his trolling will then congratulate him on having “class”. The rest of us will just roll our eyes and wait for next season of “Brother Dio’s Traveling Trolling Show”. If you think I’m trolling, fucking REPORT it, asshole, For the record, I have nothing to retract, I overstated nothing. I’m absolutely right on the money, and I don’t give a shit if it hurts your little feelings. Saying that fucking lots of people is the same as being gay is fucking moronic. ETA, what’s with the scare quotes over “wife?” ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/238 "2009-12-07T04:59:57Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If you think I’m trolling, fucking REPORT it, asshole, > > For the record, I have nothing to retract, I overstated nothing. I’m absolutely right on the money, and I don’t give a shit if it hurts your little feelings. Saying that fucking lots of people is the same as being gay is fucking moronic. > > ETA, what’s with the scare quotes over “wife?” No more than saying being gay is just like being straight. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/239 "2009-12-07T05:01:35Z")
It is just like being straight. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/240 "2009-12-07T05:12:56Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It is just like being straight. Except that the sex can NEVER result in children. Other than that, exactly the same. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991.md?page=13)