# Diogenes, what the hell!? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991 "2009-12-04T15:58:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/81 "2009-12-05T03:39:06Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > I don’t see the relevance. I doubt you’ve made many serious changes in your belief system as a result of discussions on the SDMB. And you are making the assumption that he is wrong and his view needs to change. About this topic, no, I don’t really care much. I was just wondering for future reference whether it’s worth trying to reason with him in cases where I actually do care. I’ve never actually seen him indicate any respect for anyone who holds a different opinion, or any receptivity to ideas he doesn’t embrace. I just wondered if it’s a theoretical possibility. Also, I’ve changed my mind on some topics when confronted with a compelling argument. I’m actually pretty receptive to new ideas. ---
**Author:** ![umop\_ap\_sdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/dbc845/32.png) [@umop\_ap\_sdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/umop_ap_sdn)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/82 "2009-12-05T03:48:20Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Certainly your father would have to be considered a seminal influence… _rimshot_ ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/83 "2009-12-05T04:03:27Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > I do see one thing harmful about polygamy: I don’t have any hard data on this, but it seems most of these relationships are one male, multiple females. This can’t really work on a society wide scale, because there are going to be a LOT of unhappy, single men out there who won’t be able to find partners. Yep, odds are it’s an idea doomed to failure in China. Or anyplace people are messing with nature in order to have male children. Works great with guinea pigs, though. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/84 "2009-12-05T04:05:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Certainly your father would have to be considered a seminal influence… _:::groan:::_ What’s it you say about a warrant… > [@umop\_ap\_sdn](#): > > _rimshot_ Whatever gets you off. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![umop\_ap\_sdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/dbc845/32.png) [@umop\_ap\_sdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/umop_ap_sdn)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/85 "2009-12-05T04:19:59Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Whatever gets you off. > > 🆒 Yup, I knew as I was posting that someone would say something about that. It’s good to be able to count on other Dopers for stuff like this, y’know? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/86 "2009-12-05T04:26:00Z")
Well, it depends. A lot of gay innuendo stuff goes answered when there aren’t so many Europeans on line. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/87 "2009-12-05T04:33:14Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > There’s also the fact, proven by a multitude of posts which I won’t bother to drag out and cite, that in addition to being the self-appointed PIT LAUGHINGSTOC^W COP you’re a basement-dwelling wankjob who hasn’t seen pussy in so long he’d probably get confused and throw stones at it. > > Insults will be retracted upon cite. **ivn1188** is married and lives on the second floor of his apartment building. What’s a “LAUGHINGSTOC^W”? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/88 "2009-12-05T04:37:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, it depends. A lot of gay innuendo stuff goes answered when there aren’t so many Europeans on line. Yes, well, the Europeans don’t like it when we impugn their sexual orientation. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/89 "2009-12-05T04:39:36Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > **ivn1188** is married and lives on the second floor of his apartment building. Me too! > [@](#): > > What’s a “LAUGHINGSTOC^W”? I think it means, “I hate to be the one to tell you this, but dude, no one here likes you. The ones who say they do are just pretending. _They_ all talk about your behind your back. I’m sorry that I am the only one who is honest with you. Hate to break it to ya bro, but the internet hates you.” ---
**Author:** ![Interconnected\_Series\_of\_Tubes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/13edae/32.png) [@Interconnected\_Series\_of\_Tubes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Interconnected_Series_of_Tubes)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/90 "2009-12-05T04:45:37Z")
I was surprised in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11822384) thread as well. I’ve lurked for years and never considered Diogenes much of an asshole. My opinion’s beginning to change. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/91 "2009-12-05T04:47:47Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > ETA: Question for **Dio** : Have you ever, in the history of posting here, been convinced by the counter-argument of any person, ever? I’m just trying to determine if there’s hope. I"m sure it’s happened, but I don’t remember anything specific off the top of my head. Usually these Pits happen to me because of my tone more than my position, _per se_. ---
**Author:** ![Idlewild](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8491ac/32.png) [@Idlewild](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idlewild)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/92 "2009-12-05T04:47:49Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Reality Check. > > There must be plenty of us who find comfort in the sustained espression of love between their grandparents or at least have fond memories of such. Anyone else have those fond memories or current positive comfort with polyamorous grand parents? > > My sense is that it is highly unlikely unless religion is involved, Islam or Mormon offshoots. I had a grandfather who had a wife and a mistress, and children with both of them, and maintained the polite social fiction that he was a faithful man largely with the aid of an ocean between the two households. I’d much prefer to be able to look back on a polyamorous/polyfidelitous set of relationships than that morass of cheating and deception. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/93 "2009-12-05T04:54:23Z")
I somehow doubt the wife would have been willing to go along with that. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/94 "2009-12-05T04:55:12Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > EJ056808 - Effects of Compatibility, Crowding, Group Size, and Leadership Seniority on Stress, Anxiety, Hostility, and Annoyance in Isolated Groups > > Good luck getting the text without paying, though. I just downloaded that paper from my University. That paper only deals with single-sex groupings of military personnel in specific-sized rooms. I suppose that satisfies the strict “letter” of what you said, but since the topic at hand is about sexual relationships of men and women in real life not confined to rooms, your “cite” is deceptive. In other words, you have used a deceptive cite to attempt to win the argument here. That should be a Rules violation, but since I’m nothing more than an embarrassing pariah when it comes to the **Straight Dope** Message Board, I don’t expect anyone to agree with me. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/95 "2009-12-05T04:57:49Z")
> [@dragoncat](#): > > ‘K, I’m a newbie, but I’m kind of confused about Diogenes. I mean, I can look up Diogenes on Wikipedia just like anyone else. I don’t see why someone who thinks going outside the norm is immoral and immature, would call themselves Diogenes. Just askin’. I don’t think any of that. “Outside the norm” doesn’t even mean anything, nor is it the reason that I have trouble taking this “poly” shit seriously, nor do I think it’s “immoral.” Immature, yes, but immature isn’t the same thing as immoral. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/96 "2009-12-05T05:07:09Z")
> [@Interconnected\_Series\_of\_Tubes](#): > > I was surprised in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11822384) thread as well. I’ve lurked for years and never considered Diogenes much of an asshole. My opinion’s beginning to change. Dude, RAGING asshole. Thus it’s always been. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/97 "2009-12-05T05:12:32Z")
> [@umop\_ap\_sdn](#): > > Yup, I knew as I was posting that someone would say something about that. It’s good to be able to count on other Dopers for stuff like this, y’know? 😃 We are here to serve – for as long as rimshots are not mandatory anyways. > [@elucidator](#): > > Well, it depends. A lot of gay innuendo stuff goes answered when there aren’t so many Europeans on line. Blow me. Ooops! Is that a tell? > [@mswas](#): > > Yes, well, the Europeans don’t like it when we impugn their sexual orientation. Which one? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/98 "2009-12-05T05:15:13Z")
> [@Interconnected\_Series\_of\_Tubes](#): > > I was surprised in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11822384) thread as well. I’ve lurked for years and never considered Diogenes much of an asshole. My opinion’s beginning to change. If I don’t want to come on a woman’s face, that makes me an asshole? ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/99 "2009-12-05T05:19:49Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If I don’t want to come on a woman’s face, that makes me an asshole? I’m sure there’s a witty word-play answer to that question, but I can’t think of it right now. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/100 "2009-12-05T05:24:33Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Which one? They’re all a buncha homos, everybody knows that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991.md?page=6)