# Diogenes, what the hell!? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991 "2009-12-04T15:58:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/121 "2009-12-05T13:35:38Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > :rolleyes: > > You obviously don’t have much of an idea about the social sciences, either. You’re delusional. > [@](#): > > It is not as if group dynamics between people who are fucking and people who are not fucking are two completely independent disciplines and that no information can be gleaned one way or another. I suppose that the Navy used that study solely for the purpose of locking sailors in rooms. They certainly wouldn’t be so brash as to apply the results to other, similar situations. You’re also clearly not a scientist, or else you would understand why your insta-Googled study is so pathetically irrelevant. > [@](#): > > However, it was also the first study I had sitting around about small group dynamics. Sure it was. By “sitting around”, you mean “quickly Googled an abstract,” otherwise I would have expected you to have posted some relevant portions of it which were not in the Googled abstract. > [@](#): > > If you actually read it, which it sounds like you just skimmed, you would see that it has plenty of relevance. No, I read the study, unlike you. You see, in the Big Girls and Big Boys world, we actually download and read these things. I’m sorry if I embarrassed you for calling you on your shit. I wouldn’t worry, however - no one here gives a shit that I did the research, they only want to flog me over a side-issue so they can score some more points on me; apparently they’re not wiling to invest any effort in the argument at hand either. > [@](#): > > But that would be too hard to do. You could also find some other works that contradict mine. Of course, that would also take effort that you don’t want to spend. I don’t have to. You made your initial assertion, it’s up to you to back it up. This concept has been repeated about a trillion times on this message board and throughout life itself. If this is unclear, ask your mom to come downstairs and explain it to you. > [@](#): > > One, I don’t give enough of a shit to dig up a study that talks specifically about poly relationships in order to “win” on a message board. So by deliberately posting a phony citation, you’re admitting to trolling. Gotcha. Of course, I’m the only one who thinks that, so I wouldn’t worry if I were you. > [@](#): > > Two: it’s obvious to anyone who isn’t a tard that groups of three are less stable because they almost always resolve to 2 vs 1 when there is conflict. Perhaps, in the case of a single study. Of enlisted naval personnel. Who were all male. And not in a sexual or loving relationship. Who were all confined to small rooms. In a completely non-real life situation. Other than that, it perfectly mirrors a polyamourous relationship! :rolleyes: Hey, maybe I should post a link to a paper I found about potato bug infestations to prove how their colonial interactions have an immediate bearing on the Large Hadron Collider. > [@](#): > > But hey, why let actually knowing about a fucking discipline… Yeah…cuz I don no notin bout sigh-ence. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/122 "2009-12-05T13:40:36Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Why do you people even bother arguing sex-related topics with **Dio**? It’s the same pattern **every single time**. Just ignore him! > Now this thread is going to go on for 4 pages, with you guys going back & forth with **Dio** , and he will not budge once inch from his position. You’re not going to convince him of anything. Quibble. Just like his other trolling posts (black people and their natural rhythm, the idea of the guy as the head of the house means that the woman must have been abused, his glee over the suffering of the family members who were related to a political cancer victim, the one about the guy who had a friend who turned out to be a pedophile so the guy (per Dio) was a douche about feeling weird about the fact that he felt bad that his buddy was going to jail, he had one about hand-washing after peeing make a guy a sissy…), what his MO is, is to back off juuuuuuuuust enough that he doesn’t get warned for trolling. You’ll get a sort of weasel-worded “Yeah, ok, I didn’t phrase that as well as I could have. I meant…(same thing with less inflammatory words”.) It’s actually kind of interesting to watch. He’s the longest running troll that’s ever been around on the SDMB because he knows _exactly_ where the line is drawn. I keep expecting his member location or title to change to “2830 trolling posts…and no convictions!” ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/123 "2009-12-05T13:43:24Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > The persecution complex is thick with this one. Uncalled-for, given that I responded honestly and non-insulting to you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/124 "2009-12-05T14:30:51Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > No, you just completely dismissed their ability to make decisions for themselves and said they must have been traumatized to desire such a thing. > > You really are quite the sexist douchebag. If I made the same comment as **Dio’s** with regard to women in a pimp’s stable, would that qualify me as a sexist douchbag? ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/125 "2009-12-05T14:44:34Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > If I made the same comment as **Dio’s** with regard to women in a pimp’s stable, would that qualify me as a sexist douchbag? What the fuck does a pimp’s stable have to do with a polygynous relationship? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/126 "2009-12-05T14:48:27Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If I don’t want to come on a woman’s face, that makes me an asshole? No, asshole, what makes you an asshole is the repeated assertion that those who do enjoy it enjoy “degrading” and being “mean” to their loved ones. Let’s just all take the train to \*\*DiogenesLand \*\*where everything but lights-off, shirt-on, missionary sex is degrading. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/127 "2009-12-05T15:20:33Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > If I made the same comment as **Dio’s** with regard to women in a pimp’s stable, would that qualify me as a sexist douchbag? It would make you a sexist if you said that any woman involved in a polyamorous relationship is “willing to be submissive to a single male authority and treated like property” and therefore, obviously, a victim of abuse. If you were a constant troll and general asshole like Dio, then you’d be a douchebag, too. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/128 "2009-12-05T15:43:18Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > What the fuck does a pimp’s stable have to do with a polygynous relationship? Wait, I know this one! One is a cunning runt… no, wait. ---
**Author:** ![kathmandu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kathmandu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kathmandu)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/129 "2009-12-05T15:45:40Z")
I’m not sure what Dio’s posting history has to do with what he’s said in the thread referenced in the OP. He’s entitled to his opinion that it’s an immature lifestyle choice not deserving of his approbation or respect. Polyamory isn’t a biological imperative. It’s not an innate characteristic like heterosexuality or homosexuality. To choose to engage in polyamorous relationships is a choice, and like it or not, that choice, if flaunted, will probably expose you to other people’s disapproval. No one is required to approve of or respect your choice, just like no one is required to approve of or respect any other choice, like the choice to be a militant vegetarian, or to hunt, or do any number of other things that may be controversial. Not approving of polyamory doesn’t make him a bigot, or an asshole, or a troll (although he may be any or all of those things for other reasons - I don’t know). Quite frankly, I share his view about polyamory. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/130 "2009-12-05T17:05:31Z")
> [@kathmandu](#): > > Polyamory isn’t a biological imperative. It’s not an innate characteristic like heterosexuality or homosexuality. To choose to engage in polyamorous relationships is a choice, and like it or not, that choice, if flaunted, will probably expose you to other people’s disapproval. No one is required to approve of or respect your choice, just like no one is required to approve of or respect any other choice, like the choice to be a militant vegetarian, or to hunt, or do any number of other things that may be controversial. Do you people know anything at all about human sexuality beyond your own personal experiences? Polyamory (or, more appropriately, polygamy) is not in the same category as homosexuality/heterosexuality. _Bisexuality_ is in that category. Homosexuality/heterosexuality/bisexuality = terms defining who you desire to fuck. Polyamory/polygamy/monogamy = terms describing the dynamics of your sexual relationships. Talk about how homosexuality or bisexuality being “unnatural” is absolutely meaningless. It occurs in nature; therefore it is natural. The same applies to polyamorous relationships. People do it, so it is within the realm of human experience. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/131 "2009-12-05T17:13:43Z")
People eat shit, too. Please don’t bring your lunch pail to my soirée. ---
**Author:** ![umop\_ap\_sdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/dbc845/32.png) [@umop\_ap\_sdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/umop_ap_sdn)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/132 "2009-12-05T17:21:23Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I ain’t no homo injun! I am. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/133 "2009-12-05T17:29:08Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > No, you just completely dismissed their ability to make decisions for themselves and said they must have been traumatized to desire such a thing. > > You really are quite the sexist douchebag. You can make the same argument for women who stay with batterers, therefore men beating the shit out of women is a lifestyle choice that should be respected, and it would be sexist to judge it, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/134 "2009-12-05T17:32:53Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You can make the same argument for women who stay with batterers, therefore men beating the shit out of women is a lifestyle choice that should be respected, and it would be sexist to judge it, right? Is a woman who stays with a polygynous male being hurt in the same way as a woman who stays with an abusive husband? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/135 "2009-12-05T17:35:28Z")
In my opinion, yes. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/136 "2009-12-05T17:44:59Z")
> [@kathmandu](#): > > Polyamory isn’t a biological imperative. More than likely it is. Monogamy is rare among mammals, and nonexistent in our closest relatives, the great apes. Our sexual dimorphism is a strong indicator that we are not “naturally” monogamous. > [@](#): > > Not approving of polyamory doesn’t make him a bigot, or an asshole, or a troll (although he may be any or all of those things for other reasons - I don’t know). But claiming that only immature people would practice it does. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/137 "2009-12-05T17:48:06Z")
Show me some scientific evidence that there is any such thing as a “polyamorous” orientation, as distinct from a monogamous one. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/138 "2009-12-05T17:57:21Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Show me some scientific evidence that there is any such thing as a “polyamorous” orientation, as distinct from a monogamous one. Well, we wire up a guy’s 'nads, and if he gets aroused by pictures of different women, ta-da! ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/139 "2009-12-05T18:14:21Z")
> [@Marienee](#): > > Well, if you can take a quad and are willing to move, my husband and I joke about how we need some more spouses to go out and make money for me to spoil rotten when they get home. The upside is that we live in a lovely 17th century farmhouse in the Netherlands, where we could even do a poly registered partnership and do it all on the up and up. Plenty o’room so we wouldn’t be stepping all over each other. The bad news of course is that, well, it is Holland. In December. And there is the mandatory Dutch lessons thingie and the 9 hour testing marathon required of foreigners which sort of sucks. > > 🙂 Are y’all hot? We might be able to get some work in Amsterdam. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991/140 "2009-12-05T18:17:00Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Uncalled-for, given that I responded honestly and non-insulting to you. LOL. You do realize that this fulfills the statement right? Anyway, I was just teasin’ ya for all that pariah stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-what-the-hell/519991.md?page=8)