# Diogenes: would you kindly just shut the fuck up already? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 11, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972 "2010-08-11T20:05:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/101 "2010-08-12T03:21:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > I like fighting ignorance. And I like laughing at stupid people. I’ve hit the motherlode on both counts here. > > Yes, well, **Diogenes,** whatever else one might say of him, and even if every criticism directed at him in this thread is true, is at any rate much smarter than you. What’s your evidence for that proposition? ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/102 "2010-08-12T03:22:56Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > > [@MTCicero](#): > > > > Yes, I did. After I read (and responded to) your first post. > > > > I do tend to read the posts in order. > > Excuse me for not wanting to post about 20 links, rather than 5. :rolleyes: Yes, why _not_ have your potential thread readers shoulder the burden of sussing out the point you were attempting to make in your OP instead of you actually being clear about it? I know _I_ love parsing through page after page of unrelated musings, just so I can find that _one_ (maybe two) posts that you were inscrutably referring to in your OP! ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/103 "2010-08-12T03:24:02Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > > Yes, well, **Diogenes,** whatever else one might say of him, and even if every criticism directed at him in this thread is true, is at any rate much smarter than you. > > What’s your evidence for that proposition? I’ll hazard a guess: The preponderance of your posts? ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/104 "2010-08-12T03:32:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Look! Another thread full of posters saying, “You should just ignore him!” > > Over and over and over again. > > 😃 Well, it is fun to ignore **Dio** … _ **Over and over and over again.** _ :D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/105 "2010-08-12T03:46:22Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Excuse me for not wanting to post about 20 links, rather than 5. :rolleyes: It would’ve made for a more compelling OP if you had. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/106 "2010-08-12T03:47:14Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > > [@Guinastasia](#): > > > > Excuse me for not wanting to post about 20 links, rather than 5. :rolleyes: > > It would’ve made for a more compelling OP if you had. I’ll remember to consult you the next time I start a thread. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/107 "2010-08-12T04:13:04Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’ll remember to consult you the next time I start a thread. I apologize for expressing a poor opinion of your OP. Next time I’ll be sure to wait another page or two to be certain the majority of the replies agree with my position before I post it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/108 "2010-08-12T04:13:15Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Yeah, > Yeah, > > [bobbing head] > > Listen up, son, I’m’a tell you what’s up > I’m Diognese the Cynic and I’m about to erupt > all over your ass with some smackdown rhymes > My flow is so fly it should be a fucking crime > I’m a motherfucking Expert, it says so in my title > When I post my shit you know you’re seeing something vital > I can break down music like Eddie Van Halen > then turn the fuck around and destroy Sarah Palin > I don’t give a fuck if you’re red or you’re blue, > when I talk politics, I know better than you > Wanna talk about Jesus? That’s ok too, > I’m a Godless atheist who can out-Bible you > There ain’t no God and there ain’t no ghosts, > You ask me how I know, it’s cuz I fucking SAID so > I don’t need no fucking cite, my post is my defense > Wikipedia, shit, I AM the evidence > > [drops mic, folds arms] “Stand and Deliver” defined. Kudos. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/109 "2010-08-12T04:46:08Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > For myself, Dio is two different posters… Same here. One is an intelligent, well informed and persuasive poster whose depth and breath of detailed knowledge on a wide range of subjects is really quite impressive; the other is a three-year-old making some nonsensical claim and then stamping his foot and yelling _“Yes it is!”_ or _“No it’s not!”_ over and over and over again in the face of disagreement, apparently under the impression that if he insists loud enough or long enough he is sure to get his way. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/110 "2010-08-12T05:19:53Z")
I absoLUTEly loved the rap, DIO! But… that’s not what this thread is about, is it? It wasn’t “I pit Dio for not being able to rhyme cocky words!” It was for your total lack of humility and basic communication skills. You could’ve spent the time (and the creative juices that you were _brilliantly_ channeling the Beastie Boys with) in self-examination and repentance. And learning, if no one buys your argument, to just let it go… Hmm… maybe there’s something to these “Two Dio’s” theories… _on and off meds_? We’ll all pitch in on your co-pay, man. Until then, I’m grateful I discovered the “ignore” feature. It’s easy, and keeps my blood pressure down. F’rinstance, I can tell _Randy teh Rover_’s posting in here (probably spewing bile, and trying to make this political, and/or about _him_), but I can’t see the ignorance, so I’m more relaxed. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/111 "2010-08-12T05:21:18Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > What’s your evidence for that proposition? > > I’ll hazard a guess: The preponderance of your posts? The great ugly throbbing preponderance, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/112 "2010-08-12T05:38:07Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I absoLUTEly loved the rap, DIO! > > But… that’s not what this thread is about, is it? It wasn’t “I pit Dio for not being able to rhyme cocky words!” It was for your total lack of humility and basic communication skills. Actually, **Dio’s** communication skills are considerable (when he’s in the right frame of mind to use them). [Cite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=573327) ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/113 "2010-08-12T08:07:46Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Yeah, > Yeah, > > [bobbing head] > > Listen up, son, I’m’a tell you what’s up > I’m Diognese the Cynic and I’m about to erupt > all over your ass with some smackdown rhymes > My flow is so fly it should be a fucking crime > I’m a motherfucking Expert, it says so in my title > When I post my shit you know you’re seeing something vital > I can break down music like Eddie Van Halen > then turn the fuck around and destroy Sarah Palin > I don’t give a fuck if you’re red or you’re blue, > when I talk politics, I know better than you > Wanna talk about Jesus? That’s ok too, > I’m a Godless atheist who can out-Bible you > There ain’t no God and there ain’t no ghosts, > You ask me how I know, it’s cuz I fucking SAID so > I don’t need no fucking cite, my post is my defense > Wikipedia, shit, I AM the evidence > > [drops mic, folds arms] Shit man, thread over. Someone call Star Search. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/114 "2010-08-12T08:12:30Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > You know what? No. I pit the posters that insist on arguing with him and trying to convince him and change his mind. Oh noooooes. Someone is wrong on the Internet! We must fix it! > > Can’t we just ignore him? No the entire thread must revolve around him. This fucking pit thread should be made into a sticky: If Diogenes comes out with an absolute on something, please to ignore. > Seriously. STOP RESPONDING TO HIM! The Internet would be a better place if folks reflected upon past interactions with a poster before embarking on yet another one. . . and perhaps consider the [popular definition of insanity](http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rita_Mae_Brown)at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![multimediac17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/839c29/32.png) [@multimediac17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/multimediac17)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/115 "2010-08-12T11:33:03Z")
I’d give Dio credit for that verse if writing raps actually required any talent. ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/116 "2010-08-12T11:54:43Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > Everyone’s perception of the UnderDope is different… Unfortunately, no one can be told what the UnderDope is. You have to see it for yourself ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/117 "2010-08-12T12:16:07Z")
> [@multimediac17](#): > > I’d give Dio credit for that verse if writing raps actually required any talent. Pro: It was a good middle-school gangsta-style rap – even when it’s syncopated, it’s done in that style. Con: I don’t like that style of rap. I agree it requires less talent than real old-school. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/118 "2010-08-12T12:29:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@Munch](#): > > > > For myself, Dio is two different posters… > > Same here. One is an intelligent, well informed and persuasive poster whose depth and breath of detailed knowledge on a wide range of subjects is really quite impressive; the other is a three-year-old making some nonsensical claim and then stamping his foot and yelling _“Yes it is!”_ or _“No it’s not!”_ over and over and over again in the face of disagreement, apparently under the impression that if he insists loud enough or long enough he is sure to get his way. /agreed. Unfortunately, when **Dio’s** other side posts, you can kiss the thread goodbye as it turns into yet another episode of the \*\*Dio \*\*show. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/119 "2010-08-12T12:29:28Z")
**Diogenes** is very smart. Any time I’m tempted to make him the second person ever on my ignore list, he does something that reminds me that I’d be missing good stuff. And he can communicate well. His biggest fault, and it’s a very irritating one, is his resistance to admission of error. Long after anyone else would have said, “Yeah, OK, I was wrong,” **Diogenes** will be shifting goalposts, redefining words, and backpedalling like crazy to avoid an explicit admission of error. Compounding this is his other fault: a strong tendency to make definitive, absolutist statements for (presumably) rhetorical effect. He irritates the shit out of me quite often, but he definitely adds value to the boards. ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972/120 "2010-08-12T12:34:22Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > > [@Anaamika](#): > > > > You know what? No. I pit the posters that insist on arguing with him and trying to convince him and change his mind. Oh noooooes. Someone is wrong on the Internet! We must fix it! > > > > Can’t we just ignore him? No the entire thread must revolve around him. This fucking pit thread should be made into a sticky: If Diogenes comes out with an absolute on something, please to ignore. > > Seriously. STOP RESPONDING TO HIM! > > But. . . I was trying to get him to enter an 8 Mile style rap battle with me in the CS thread I bickered with him in. You’ve got to admit, that would have at least been worth it. I’d pay to watch that on Pay per view. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenes-would-you-kindly-just-shut-the-fuck-up-already/549972.md?page=7)