# Diogenese the Cynic. Also a Phony. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 25, 2004, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776 "2004-07-25T07:12:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/21 "2004-07-25T13:05:23Z")
I understand, but you’d best keep your circumstance a secret. If you were a burglar, which would you prefer to visit: a neighborhood with people whom you know are armed, or a neighborhood with people whom you know are not? ---
**Author:** ![Dog80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@Dog80](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dog80)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/22 "2004-07-25T13:05:32Z")
Give **DtC** some slack. He is very depressed and the SDMB is his way to vent off. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/23 "2004-07-25T13:08:17Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I understand, but you’d best keep your circumstance a secret. If you were a burglar, which would you prefer to visit: a neighborhood with people whom you know are armed, or a neighborhood with people whom you know are not? I would go for not, and I wouldn’t take a gun. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/24 "2004-07-25T13:10:08Z")
Which is probably why people in NZ are robbed blind when at work while the house is empty. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/25 "2004-07-25T13:16:22Z")
Diogenes is only saying, quite clearly and calmly, that he is against owning a gun himself, for his own personal and moral reasons. Plus he believes that if more people had that same attitude, life would be that much safer for everyone. I don’t think that’s any reason to insult him. It’s quite rude indeed to call someone a liar for expressing a personal opinion, even if it is a controversial one. Opinions cannot be lies, as far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/26 "2004-07-25T13:27:05Z")
I thought this was a pit, not a love fest. Cripes. Pretty soon there’ll be guys hugging one another and signing each others’ yearbooks. Dio, you snow-eating tit. You suck! So there. (Just trying to get this thing back on track.) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/27 "2004-07-25T13:27:56Z")
**Snakespirit** , do you understand where **Starving Artist** is coming from? Do you understand that he is the polar opposite of **Dio** politically? And that, as **SA** says, the two of them have had more than one steel cage death match here? Yet he is one of the strongest of the many **Dio** defenders who’ve already popped into this thread. **Liberal** sure as hell doesn’t pull any punches; he’s tangled with **Diogenes** many times over the years; yet he speaks eloquently for the man. **Dio’s** defenders in fact range across the political spectrum. Doesn’t that tell you something? Like, oh, I dunno, maybe… You’re the jerk. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/28 "2004-07-25T13:32:44Z")
> [@skutir](#): > > I thought this was a pit, not a love fest. Cripes. Pretty soon there’ll be guys hugging one another and signing each others’ yearbooks. I would have suggested we turn it into a Pitting of **Snakespirit** , but there’s already one going. Wouldn’t want to turn **Snakespirit** into the poor man’s Bush, now, would we? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/29 "2004-07-25T13:33:59Z")
Well said **EDF** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/30 "2004-07-25T13:34:57Z")
**Snake** , i’ve seen enough of your posts and enough of **DtC** ’s posts to know which one I’d rather trust in just about any situation. Frankly I’ve found you to be both mean-spirited and intellectually dishonest. **DtC** occasionally goes over the top, but I’ve never seen him to be either. So look around at your glass house before you start throwing stones. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/31 "2004-07-25T13:37:00Z")
> [@skutir](#): > > Dio, you snow-eating tit. You suck! So there. (Just trying to get this thing back on track.) I’m sorry, but could someone tell me just what a snow-eating tit is? I’m having trouble with a mental picture of a giant breast guzzling frozen precipitation. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/32 "2004-07-25T13:41:18Z")
> [@AvhHines](#): > > I’m sorry, but could someone tell me just what a snow-eating tit is? I’m having trouble with a mental picture of a giant breast guzzling frozen precipitation. :eek: I happen to know for a fact that Dio eats snow. I’m also using the second definition of “tit,” meaning “any of various small plump often long-tailed birds.” It’s like calling someone a rat or a skunk or a three-toed sloth. Animal metaphors, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Creative\_Munster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Creative\_Munster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Creative_Munster)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/33 "2004-07-25T13:43:07Z")
I used to hate DTC with a passion. Especially after he ridiculed a girl who had sex with a football player who made a bet that he could accomplish it. But he did apologize for it. I also don’t agree with him politically on a few things. But I have to admit, that he strikes me as intelligent, albeit a bit misguided at times. And I don’t think he is a cruel person. My opinion of DTC has changed since he first started posting, and I think I would enjoy the man’s company. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/34 "2004-07-25T14:49:29Z")
Have to agree with most here. **Dio** ’s a smart guy, but he has a tendency to cross the line from passion to hysteria from time to time. I used to get annoyed when that happened, but now I find its best to just roll my eyes and ignore it. His good attributes outweigh his irritating ones, I think. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/35 "2004-07-25T15:08:30Z")
> [@Snakespirit](#): > > You make an opinion based on your own fears and inadequacies, refuse to listen to anything that doesn’t fit into your own world and use anger, slurs, denial and a 'tuff-guy" attitude to show everyone how right you are. > > You are a LIAR, full of hot air, a slanderer, a name-caller. I love that last sentence. It’s usually best not to slander somebody and call them names while accusing them of slander and name-calling. I do not agree with **Diogenes** on certain things. I think that he sometimes lets his passion get the best of him. However, I have found that he is knowledgable of many subjects, and often quite eloquent. **Aeschines** If you’ve produced a site or argument for the paranormal that wasn’t ludicrous garbage, I must have missed it. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/36 "2004-07-25T15:16:40Z")
The concensus seems to be “Keep on trucking **Dio** ” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/37 "2004-07-25T15:39:14Z")
> [@AvhHines](#): > > I’m sorry, but could someone tell me just what a snow-eating tit is? I’m having trouble with a mental picture of a giant breast guzzling frozen precipitation. :eek: **skutir** is twisting the facts on this issue. You see, skutir happens to be my little brother. When we were kids I sometimes used to make him eat snow to show him who the boss was. Nowadays he is trying to change the story and suggest that I am the one who ate snow when it fact it was he, **skutir** , who was face down in a snowbank with my knee on his back. And he knows it. Now he makes more money than me. The bastard. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/38 "2004-07-25T15:57:19Z")
I’m a fan. Sic’ em, **Dio**! (‘Course, in the interests of full disclosure, I feel obligated to point out that the girls in Mensa tell me he’s a bit of a slut. Just sayin’, is all…) ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/39 "2004-07-25T16:15:25Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > **Aeschines** If you’ve produced a site or argument for the paranormal that wasn’t ludicrous garbage, I must have missed it. I think you’re going to have to find your marbles before you find my good cites. ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/40 "2004-07-25T16:21:43Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > **skutir** is twisting the facts on this issue. You see, skutir happens to be my little brother. When we were kids I sometimes used to make him eat snow to show him who the boss was. Nowadays he is trying to change the story and suggest that I am the one who ate snow when it fact it was he, **skutir** , who was face down in a snowbank with my knee on his back. And he knows it. > > Now he makes more money than me. The bastard. He’s right! You are a liar! A snow-eater, and a liar! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776.md?page=3)