# Diogenese the Cynic. Also a Phony. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 25, 2004, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776 "2004-07-25T07:12:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/41 "2004-07-25T16:28:45Z")
Hmmm. Just a quibble, a minor point, but that’s the trouble with quibbles… If this **skutir** person is **Diogenes’** _younger_ brother… And if this selfsame **skutir** is a bastard, that is, one who’s parents were not married… And was, presumably, born some time _after_ **Diogenes** … ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/42 "2004-07-25T17:02:15Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > but that’s the trouble with quibbles… Oh, **luci** , if I could reach through the monitor, you’d have to die for that one! > [@elucidator](#): > > If this **skutir** person is **Diogenes’** _younger_ brother… > > And if this selfsame **skutir** is a bastard, that is, one who’s parents were not married… > > And was, presumably, born some time _after_ **Diogenes** … Obviously, **DtC** ’s parents split after _he_ was born, and before **skutir** was born! Hence, **Dio** comes by your aforementioned sluttish tendencies (although from which side unknown) naturally. You gotta think these things through! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/43 "2004-07-25T17:17:53Z")
Ah! I see what you mean! The parents, having had time to reflect and repent of thier unfortunate genetic mishap, resolved to restrain themselves in the future, but fell victim to an inherent disposition to generative misconduct. This would explain a lot. > [@](#): > > …Oh, luci, if I could reach through the monitor, you’d have to die for that one!.. (Batting big, brown, innocent eyes) Why, whatever do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/44 "2004-07-25T17:38:55Z")
\*\*Diogenes \*\* was kind enough to give me some helpful advvice when I started posting here, for which I am grateful. (I finished Demon Haunted…what’s next?) And I _alway_s open a thread with his name in becuse I know I will be amused, enlightened, and informed by it. Although I did run into an old one the other day where he said the South needed another “beat down.” I presume the interstates are open up there this time of year? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/45 "2004-07-25T17:53:20Z")
When you read my occassional swipe at the south, **Trandallt** / please bear in mind that I was born in Shreveport, Lousiana. My mother’s whole side of the family is from Lousiana. There is a love/hate relationship that a lot of native southerners have with the south. There is much to love, but there are a maddening number of backwards idiots. The most vehement invectives against “rednecks” and “hillbillies” I have ever heard have always been from white southerners. If you’re from the south, you know what i mean. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/46 "2004-07-25T17:57:03Z")
Did you like **Demon-Haunted World** , btw? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/47 "2004-07-25T18:14:25Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > When you read my occassional swipe at the south, **Trandallt** / please bear in mind that I was born in Shreveport, Lousiana. My mother’s whole side of the family is from Lousiana. There is a love/hate relationship that a lot of native southerners have with the south. There is much to love, but there are a maddening number of backwards idiots. The most vehement invectives against “rednecks” and “hillbillies” I have ever heard have always been from white southerners. If you’re from the south, you know what i mean. Well hell I didn’t know you were a cracker too. That changes everything. After the beat down we can have a barbecue. Drop by anytime. And bring momanem. Yes, \*\*Demon Haunted World \*\* has a lot to say to me, mainly in helping me to clarify my thoughts about things I already hold to be true. I suppose I will have to shell out for a personal copy as the library wants theirs back. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/48 "2004-07-25T18:29:44Z")
> [@](#): > > He will respect you if you respect him. Unless you own guns. > [@](#): > > Diogenes is only saying, quite clearly and calmly, that he is against owning a gun himself, for his own personal and moral reasons. Right! That’s why he said “If I owned a gun I would feel like a coward,” rather than making an ignorant and intolerant, broad-brushed derogatory comment about an immensely huge body of people, right? Say what you will about “passion”. Hell, our President is a passionate man, too. I fail to see how that excuses mocking half the population. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/49 "2004-07-25T18:50:43Z")
Every once in a while, a pit thread comes along. This is such a pit thread. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/50 "2004-07-25T18:54:45Z")
Hail the Pit thread. Worship the Pit thread. The Pit thread is The Way. The Way to Salvation. And discounted underpants. Look, I ultimately don’t care about Dio or his own, personal stance on guns. But when he tries to apply his OWN opinions in a derogatory manner to me… well, someone tell me the difference between that and “I don’t like fags because they’re all nancy boys” or “Black people are all lazy criminals.” ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/51 "2004-07-25T18:57:35Z")
As a gun owner, you are a member of a voluntary group, like Methodists, or Boy Scouts, or Rush listeners. That is very different from being black. ---
**Author:** ![laigle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@laigle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/laigle)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/52 "2004-07-25T19:46:46Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > I’ve seen every FG episode several times, and I don’t see the reference. Either I’m off my game tonight, or the OP is an utter goat fucking moron. I was thinking of the one where Meg kisses the dorky guy, and that annoying twit keeps running in going “Hey, this guy’s a phony!” about shit like he just discovered the atom. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/53 "2004-07-25T19:47:26Z")
Hey I’m kinda new around here but isn’t it time somebody sent out a search party for **Snakespirit**? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/54 "2004-07-25T19:49:33Z")
Only if we wanted to find him. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/55 "2004-07-25T19:57:14Z")
> [@](#): > > As a gun owner, you are a member of a voluntary group, like Methodists, or Boy Scouts, or Rush listeners. That is very different from being black. All right, then how are Mr. Cynic’s comments any different than “All Democrats are traitors”? ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/56 "2004-07-25T20:01:46Z")
Dunno. Not trying to defend him, I’m pro-gun. My post before was just a rehash of an old Mad Magazine bit about reviewing movies that suck without saying they suck, and without lying that they’re good; i.e., this pit thread sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Abbie\_Carmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Abbie\_Carmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abbie_Carmichael)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/57 "2004-07-25T21:27:09Z")
I _wish_ Dio were a phony, that way I’d know he didn’t really believe the stuff he says on the boards. But I really do think he believes what he says, so no. Not a phony. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/58 "2004-07-25T22:16:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nope. \*_Diogenes_ is not remotely a phony. He is, sadly, very confused politically, 😃 , but is honest and consistent. NO! He is NOT “honest”. He too often states his Opinion as a fact. He’ll also take an opinion from a blog and then say “it has been proven that…” when it’s just one guy with an opinion he is citing that’s the “FACT!!!”. He comes out with lines like "guns are for cowards’ not once- but TWICE, and then tries to weasel out with a list of usages where the user isn’t a coward…on another thread. :rolleyes: I don’t completely agree with out OP. He goes over the line. But Diogenes is anything but “honest”. He is an excellent example of someone who is intellectually dishonest. I just stopped debating with him after he showed himself to be like that. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/59 "2004-07-25T22:33:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > NO! He is NOT “honest”. He too often states his Opinion as a fact. Ding Ding Ding we have a winner. He’s like Aldebaran’s “my post is my cite” crap. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776/60 "2004-07-25T22:37:22Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > When you spell a guy’s name wrong in the start of your Pit thread, that shows you’re definitely his intellectual superior. Keep fighting the good fight, **Snakespirit**. No, DC is definately my intellectual superiour. I can’t spell for shit, and I type worse. But I think honesty is more important than accuracy. Don’t you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/diogenese-the-cynic-also-a-phony/256776.md?page=4)