# Disaster for Israel **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 9, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925 "2014-02-09T21:43:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/1 "2014-02-09T21:43:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Jordan’s Lower House of parliament issued a statement on Saturday rejecting Israel’s demand to be recognized as a Jewish state. > > **The statement followed debate last week over the peace process and clarified the need for an independent and fully sovereign Palestinian state along the 1967 borders** , with East Jerusalem as its capital, Jordan’s Petra News reported. > Related: > > ``` > Netanyahu calls on world to pressure Palestinians after Abbas refuses to recognize Jewish state > > ``` > > The House called for the return and compensation of Palestinian refugees. > > Israel’s government has made the Palestinian recognition of a Jewish state, one of its conditions for a deal. > > In addition, any final agreement should take Jordan’s interests into account concerning refugees, Jerusalem, security, water, and settlements, it said. > > \*\*The House also stressed that a Palestinian state should have full sovereignty over Jerusalem and the Islamic and Christian holy places – rejecting Israel’s actions in the city. > > “Any change of the city’s demography is a blatant violation of international law and a gross breach of international resolutions,” read the statement, according to Petra.\*\* > > “The House voices its appreciation and backing of the earnest efforts that Jordan, under His Majesty’s leadership, exerts in defense of the Arab identity of Jerusalem, and its firm stand against all the Israeli measures and decisions aimed at obliterating Jerusalem’s Arab-Islamic character, as well as the Zionist designs of hegemony and expansion carried out daily against Palestine, and Jerusalem in particular,” said the statement. > **[Jordanian parliament opposed to recognizing Israel as a Jewish state](https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Jordanian-parliament-opposed-to-recognizing-Israel-as-a-Jewish-state-340864)** > > Statement of legislature in Amman follows debate over peace process; states support for Palestinian state along 67 lines. Jordan is the only semi friendly face that the zionists have in the region. To lose them is a big disaster. How much longer will Americans support the zionist entity and wage war on the rest of the region for them? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/2 "2014-02-09T21:47:08Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > How much longer will Americans support the zionist entity and wage war on the rest of the region for them? As the only functioning democracy in the area, which has a significantly better track record in women’s rights and religious freedoms in their country and is a beacon for science and technological innovation, a very long time, I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/3 "2014-02-09T21:50:55Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > How much longer will Americans support the zionist entity and wage war on the rest of the region for them? Wow, did I miss a lot of wars, or are you just grossly exaggerating? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/4 "2014-02-09T21:55:00Z")
Is Jordan capable of causing a disaster to anyone under any circumstances? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/5 "2014-02-09T21:56:03Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > [Jordanian parliament opposed to recognizing Israel as a Jewish state - The Jerusalem Post](http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Jordanian-parliament-opposed-to-recognizing-Israel-as-a-Jewish-state-340864) > Jordan is the only semi friendly face that the zionists have in the region. > > To lose them is a big disaster. > > How much longer will Americans support the zionist entity and wage war on the rest of the region for them? Uncle, why is it after numerous posts in which you made references to “Israel” with no hesitation do you suddenly start referring to it as “the Zionist entity” like you’re Ahmad Shukairy? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/6 "2014-02-09T21:57:31Z")
Yeah, I’m not sure it’s a disaster. In 24 hours will this even be remembered? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/7 "2014-02-09T22:02:38Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > As the only functioning democracy in the area, which has a significantly better track record in women’s rights and religious freedoms in their country and is a beacon for science and technological innovation, a very long time, I hope. I think Turkey and Lebanon would object to the first(though thanks to four invasions by Israel as well as the Syrians they’ve had issues). As for “religious freedoms”, I’d rather be a Christian in Lebanon than in Israel and until the American invasion of Iraq and the current Syrian Civil War, I’d have said the same about them, with caveats. Sadly enough, one of the things we Muslims and the Israeli Jews have in common is we’re both very good at treating the region’s native Christians like shit and we’re having a stiff competition to see who can kick out more Christians quicker. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/8 "2014-02-09T22:05:15Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Yeah, I’m not sure it’s a disaster. In 24 hours will this even be remembered? Probably not. Jordan pretty regularly puts out stuff like this all the time to make themselves look tough on the Jews. Hell it’s nothing like the 50 hour Indiana Jones-like miniseries the Egyptians put out about the Protocol of the Elders of Zion. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/9 "2014-02-09T22:28:05Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Is Jordan capable of causing a disaster to anyone under any circumstances? Themselves? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/10 "2014-02-09T22:42:06Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I think Turkey and Lebanon would object to the first(though thanks to four invasions by Israel as well as the Syrians they’ve had issues). As for “religious freedoms”, I’d rather be a Christian in Lebanon than in Israel and until the American invasion of Iraq and the current Syrian Civil War, I’d have said the same about them, with caveats. > > Sadly enough, one of the things we Muslims and the Israeli Jews have in common is we’re both very good at treating the region’s native Christians like shit and we’re having a stiff competition to see who can kick out more Christians quicker. What’s so bad about being a Christian in Israel? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/11 "2014-02-09T22:43:11Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > What’s so bad about being a Christian in Israel? Trying to get people to say “Happy Holidays.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/12 "2014-02-09T22:43:51Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Trying to get people to say “Happy Holidays.” You mean with all those other wars, they have a War on Christmas, too? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/13 "2014-02-09T22:44:05Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I think Turkey and Lebanon would object to the first(though thanks to four invasions by Israel as well as the Syrians they’ve had issues). As for “religious freedoms”, I’d rather be a Christian in Lebanon than in Israel and until the American invasion of Iraq and the current Syrian Civil War, I’d have said the same about them, with caveats. > > Sadly enough, one of the things we Muslims and the Israeli Jews have in common is we’re both very good at treating the region’s native Christians like shit and we’re having a stiff competition to see who can kick out more Christians quicker. I couldn’t disagree with everything you said more if I tried. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/14 "2014-02-09T22:48:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You mean with all those other wars, they have a War on Christmas, too? Well, Hanukkah. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/15 "2014-02-09T23:11:55Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > What’s so bad about being a Christian in Israel? Ask the Arab Israelis. Christian Palestinians are treated pretty badly by both the Israeli Jews and the Palestinian Muslims. There’s a reason there are now more Palestinian Christians living in Chile than in “Palestine”. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/16 "2014-02-09T23:14:45Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I couldn’t disagree with everything you said more if I tried. You think there’s not a lot of discrimination against Christians in the Middle East?:dubious That’s a bit odd. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/17 "2014-02-09T23:25:09Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > You think there’s not a lot of discrimination against Christians in the Middle East?:dubious > > That’s a bit odd. In the Middle East, of course. In Israel specifically… :dubious ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/18 "2014-02-09T23:27:12Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > In the Middle East, of course. In Israel specifically… :dubious Even most Israelis would cringe at that statement. If you don’t believe me, talk to some Arab Israelis. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/19 "2014-02-09T23:29:10Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Even most Israelis would cringe at that statement. > > If you don’t believe me, talk to some Arab Israelis. What do the opinions of Arab Israelis have to do with the treatment of Christian Israelis? Or are you suggesting that all Christian Israelis are Arabs, because that’d be news to my entire family that lives and works in Israel. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925/20 "2014-02-09T23:29:29Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Ask the Arab Israelis. > > Christian Palestinians are treated pretty badly by both the Israeli Jews and the Palestinian Muslims. > > There’s a reason there are now more Palestinian Christians living in Chile than in “Palestine”. Are they discriminated against because they are Christians or because they are Arab? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disaster-for-israel/680925.md?page=2)