# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2001 "2024-10-24T14:34:53Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Keep licking Bibi’s taint, peace will surely follow. I want to see Bibi in jail, I have no interest in his taint. If that’s what floats your boat, more power to you. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2002 "2024-10-24T14:39:50Z")
Find time to be walked through the fact that adverse possession doesn’t allow for the formation of a state within the US and is therefore a sophomorically unapt grasping at straws. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2003 "2024-10-24T14:45:27Z")
More precisely, you are more interested in approximations of human rights for all in light of preserving the existence of Israel. Why should Israel exist if it must necessarily oppress the Palestinians in order to exist? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2004 "2024-10-24T14:48:19Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > I want to see Bibi in jail, I have no interest in his taint. You have as much interest in his taint as I have in what Iran does or doesn’t fund. See how that works? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2005 "2024-10-24T14:55:18Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Why should Israel exist if it must necessarily oppress the Palestinians in order to exist? It doesn’t need to oppress anyone. I’m interested in actual, achievable human rights. The existence of Israel doesn’t necessarily violate anyone’s rights. Humans are creative and can come up with peaceful solutions that guarantee rights for all, Palestinians, Israelis, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and anyone else who lives in the region. It’s obviously not easy, but it doesn’t require death and destruction. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2006 "2024-10-24T15:04:21Z")
Ah, so you don’t understand analogy. I did mention that “adverse possession is the civil version of taking land by conquest”, which is something humans have done throughout all of history. You might want to look at those two posts together. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2007 "2024-10-24T15:16:20Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You have as much interest in his taint as I have in what Iran does or doesn’t fund. If Iran was funding the leading politicians in my country, I’d probably take interest in that. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2008 "2024-10-24T15:42:30Z")
The existence of Israel does necessarily violates the rights of the Palestinians in that to maintain its ethnocracy it must keep a majority of its population Jewish, with different levels of management of goyim minorities throughout Palestine. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Humans are creative and can come up with peaceful solutions that guarantee rights for all, Palestinians, Israelis, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and anyone else who lives in the region. It’s obviously not easy, but it doesn’t require death and destruction. I believe in this capacity of humans, as well. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2009 "2024-10-24T15:44:24Z")
You need to look at your response as a doubling down on your sophomorically unapt grasping at straws. Israel’s appropriation of Palestine and oppression of the Palestinians was accomplished violently, not by civil contract or agreement. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2010 "2024-10-24T15:57:55Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > The existence of Israel does necessarily violates the rights of the Palestinians in that to maintain its ethnocracy it must keep a majority of its population Jewish, with different levels of management of goyim minorities throughout Palestine. Israel doesn’t necessarily have to be an ethnocracy. Better to work for change, not for more destruction. > [@](#): > > I believe in this capacity of humans, as well. Then hopefully we can stand together for peaceful change and not for destruction. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2011 "2024-10-24T16:09:15Z")
Yes sir. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2012 "2024-10-24T16:35:12Z")
Would a non-ethocratic Israel still be Israel, let alone Zionist? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2013 "2024-10-24T16:41:38Z")
If it’s forever a safe and welcoming place for Jews, sure. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2014 "2024-10-24T16:43:39Z")
So, you don’t understand analogy. Got it. Yes, I’m fully aware that the modern state of Israel was forged by war and it’s borders were created by wars. The vast majority of modern nations owe their borders to wars of territorial acquisition. Mine certainly does, and i don’t plan to “go back” somewhere to cede my home to the first nations of North America. I also support human rights for everyone living in America. (And like Israelis, i don’t have anyplace to “go back” to.) ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2015 "2024-10-24T16:47:18Z")
Oh, I understand analogy, thank you very much. Your apologetic mental contortions for the oppressive state of Israel are unsettling. You’re right up there with Babale. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2016 "2024-10-24T16:51:09Z")
I ran a Hospitality Suite for a fan-owned science fiction convention this past weekend, and this is the first time I had to put a stop to a conversation (loud argument) about this situation. On one side was a vehement Jewish woman who fully supported all actions Israel has taken, and on the other side was anyone who dared to ask questions and/or dared to show the slightest bit of sympathy towards the people in that region. I tried to put a stop to that line of conversation and people with questions apologized and tried to change the subject, but the Pro-Everything Israeli woman just lowered her voice and continued to push her point, heavily. I asked her again to drop it, and she just lowered her voice again. That is the _first_ time I ever had to boot someone out of Hospitality due to topic. Again-It wasn’t Vehement Pro-Israeli vs. Vehement Pro-Hamas, it was Vehement Pro-Israeli vs. anyone that didn’t take her side entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2017 "2024-10-24T16:53:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If it’s forever a safe and welcoming place for Jews, sure. Impossible goal because _nobody_ gets a promise like that. It is like saying “When pigs fly.” ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2018 "2024-10-24T16:59:29Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Oh, I understand analogy, thank you very much. You show no signs of that. Out of curiosity, what do you think Israelis who were born in Israel to people who born in Israel to people who fled to Israel as refugees ought to do? I do care about Palestinian human rights. I am appalled by what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza, and by the continuing land grab in the West Bank. But i also care about the human rights of Israelis. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2019 "2024-10-24T17:02:31Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Not even I believe in documented historical fact? When did Israel ever agree to withdraw all settlements and recognize a free and independent Palestinian State? ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2020 "2024-10-24T17:43:30Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Would a non-ethocratic Israel still be Israel, let alone Zionist? Would a non-ethnocratic Pakistan still be Pakistan, let alone Islamist? How about Saudi Arabia? Iran? Somalia? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=100) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=102)