# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2021 "2024-10-24T17:52:06Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > You show no signs of that. Yeah, right. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Out of curiosity, what do you think Israelis who were born in Israel to people who born in Israel to people who fled to Israel as refugees ought to do? They ought to comply with international declarations, conventions, and resolutions granting the Palestinians’ right of return, and contribute to the establishment of a pluralistic, egalitarian and democratic state in all of Palestine for all the people therein. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2022 "2024-10-24T18:13:04Z")
Oh, wow, I can’t believe nobody thought of that before. Just establish a pluralistic, egalitarian, democratic society! You know, the way we did in Iraq and Afghanistan! It’s so simple, yet so obvious! Why hasn’t the global community seized on this idea sooner? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2023 "2024-10-24T19:14:57Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > If Iran was funding the leading politicians in my country, I’d probably take interest in that. Drop in the ocean compared to what they get from China and Russia, I’m sure. It’s not like the ANC is exactly _secretive_ about who their friends are. Wait, are the actions of a political party I don’t ~~bend over backwards to be an apologist for while loudly disavowing~~ support somehow supposed to reflect on me? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2024 "2024-10-24T19:32:09Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > The existence of Israel does necessarily violates the rights of the Palestinians in that to maintain its ethnocracy it must keep a majority of its population Jewish, with different levels of management of goyim minorities throughout Palestine. I learned a long time ago that anyone, Jewish or Gentile, who uses the word “goyim” in a manner that isn’t ironic or self-deprecating, is not a serious person and should not be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2025 "2024-10-24T20:03:53Z")
Or like Lebanon. Because that has worked so well for all the citizens of Lebanon. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2026 "2024-10-24T20:20:06Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Because that has worked so well for all the citizens of Lebanon. Muslims, Christians, and Druze, all living in perfect harmony. I’m sure they blame the Jews for the fact that they keep killing each other. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2027 "2024-10-24T20:25:13Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > I’m sure they blame the Jews for the fact that they keep killing each other. Obviously, if we just stop bombing them, they’ll get to gay ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2028 "2024-10-24T20:30:13Z")
Until the pograms against the Jews in the mid 70s, there were a lot of Jews in Lebanon. [History of the Jews in Lebanon - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Lebanon#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20there%20were%204%2C500,Jews%20today%20live%20in%20Lebanon). ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2029 "2024-10-24T22:01:49Z")
The global community is either indifferent to the conflict, support the ethnocracy there, or support the establishment of a theocracy in Palestine. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2030 "2024-10-24T22:02:08Z")
M’kay. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2031 "2024-10-24T22:25:34Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > The global community is either indifferent to the conflict, support the ethnocracy there, or support the establishment of a theocracy in Palestine. So, the global community doesn’t want this… And the locals don’t want it… But you, a complete outsider with a third grader’s understanding of the situation, have decided that it’s what is best for those people that live there, whether they want it or not… There’s a term for that kind of behavior - colonialism. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2032 "2024-10-24T22:32:35Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > or support the establishment of a theocracy in Palestine. There’s already a theocracy in Palestine. It’s called Hamas. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2033 "2024-10-24T22:38:49Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > Would a non-ethnocratic Pakistan still be Pakistan You mean, [The Islamic Republic of Pakistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan), which was formed around the same time as Israel, because the Islamic League in India didn’t want to live in a pluralistic, egalitarian and democratic state, but worked very hard to get an Islamic state? ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2034 "2024-10-24T22:40:39Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Would a non-ethocratic Israel still be Israel, let alone Zionist? It’s funny how this perspective can basically only come from either a hardcore zionist or a borderline antisemite. Horseshoe theory I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2035 "2024-10-24T22:53:12Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > It’s funny how this perspective can basically only come from either a hardcore zionist or a borderline antisemite. Borderline? 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2036 "2024-10-24T22:53:33Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > You mean, [The Islamic Republic of Pakistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan), which was formed around the same time as Israel, because the Islamic League in India didn’t want to live in a pluralistic, egalitarian and democratic state, but worked very hard to get an Islamic state? It’s funny how the anti-“zionists” like to sweep this one under the rug when they really just don’t like Jews. I like how @InfraBlue and @MrDibble won’t to respond to any questions about any of the other ethnostates since it violates their world view. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2037 "2024-10-24T23:05:11Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > I like how @InfraBlue and @MrDibble won’t to respond to any questions about any of the other ethnostates since it violates their world view. Or they’ll call Israel a “theocracy” while neglecting to mention how one of the world’s most powerful secular democracies recently held a church ceremony where the head of state was anointed with holy oil by a bishop and made to swear an oath that he was a Protestant, or how one of Europe’s economic powerhouses literally has a church tax that the government collects on behalf of your religious institution, or how their favorite enemy of the west, Russia, has essentially turned a large chunk of the Orthodox church into a propaganda arm of the regime. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2038 "2024-10-24T23:57:21Z")
No. Not everyone doesn’t want it. You suffer from reading comprehension difficulties. It is imperative that you and the global community be relieved of your apathy, ignorance, cynicism, and resentment and shown the better course for your own good. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2039 "2024-10-24T23:58:10Z")
They want its establishment in all of Palestine. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2040 "2024-10-25T00:00:08Z")
That’s a question for Zionists. How is it “borderline antisemite,” exactly? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=103)