# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2081 "2024-10-25T20:56:59Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > So, in which country is being Jewish punishable by death? Like, legally, if you admit you are Jewish the government will execute you? Maybe none. But in practice? Where there’s a significant chance that your neighbors will burn down your house or rape you? Quite a few, including Lebanon. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2082 "2024-10-25T20:58:22Z")
Although, i know that if you are an American Jew and want to visit Saudi Arabia, you are advised to pretend to be Christian. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2083 "2024-10-25T21:40:03Z")
Being a Jew is not punishable by death in Palestine, which is a stretch to call it a country. Uriel Davis, who is Jewish, is a member of Fatah and the Palestinian Authority. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2084 "2024-10-25T21:45:08Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Uriel Davis, who is Jewish Incorrect, he converted to Islam. How embarrassing when your token Jew isn’t a Jew anymore! ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2085 "2024-10-25T21:55:16Z")
The state of Israel—whose most liberal PM, Ytzhak Rabin, proposed a Palestinian entity which would be less than a state—doesn’t want a two state solution nor do the Palestinians, let alone Hamas. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2086 "2024-10-25T21:56:15Z")
How brave and wise of you to speak for all Israelis, Palestinians, and Hamas! ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2087 "2024-10-25T22:01:04Z")
Your hair splitting is risible. He was Jewish when he joined Fatah. He describes himself as an anti-Zionist of Jewish origin. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2088 "2024-10-25T22:24:23Z")
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2089 "2024-10-25T22:27:42Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Being a Jew is not punishable by death in Palestine, which is a stretch to call it a country. How many synagogues are there in Gaza these days? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2090 "2024-10-25T22:32:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How brave and wise of you to speak for all Israelis, Palestinians, and Hamas! > [@Babale](#): > > And you’re willing to bet other people’s life on it! > > Golly gee, you’re SOOOOO BRAVE You know, if InfraBlue can get Babale and iiiandyiii to find common ground, then maybe there’s hope after all. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2091 "2024-10-25T22:32:23Z")
This is your example of being a Jew being punishable by death in Palestine? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2092 "2024-10-25T22:34:13Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > This is your example of being a Jew being punishable by death in Palestine Actually, this is; > **[The Hamas Covenant](https://embassies.gov.il/holysee/AboutIsrael/the-middle-east/Pages/The%20Hamas-Covenant.aspx)** > > The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS, is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization. > [@](#): > > The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2093 "2024-10-25T22:39:46Z")
That’s a quote from the Qur’an. According to Wikipedia, Hamas’ founder said: “We don’t hate Jews and fight Jews because they are Jewish. They are a people of faith and we are a people of faith, and we love all people of faith. If my brother, from my own mother and father and my own faith takes my home and expels me from it, I will fight him. I will fight my cousin if he takes my home and expels me from it. So when a Jew takes my home and expels me from it, I will fight him. I don’t fight other countries because I want to be at peace with them, I love all people and wish peace for them, even the Jews. The Jews lived with us all of our lives and we never assaulted them, and they held high positions in government and ministries. But if they take my home and make me a refugee like 4 million Palestinians in exile? Who has more right to this land? The Russian immigrant who left this land 2000 years ago or the one who left 40 years ago? We don’t hate the Jews, we only ask for them to give us our rights” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2094 "2024-10-25T22:41:48Z")
Wikipedia is not a reliable source on this topic. Any chance you’re affiliated with these guys? > **[How Wikipedia’s Pro-Hamas Editors Hijacked the Israel-Palestine Narrative](https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-editors-hijacked-the-israel-palestine-narrative)** > > a powerful group of editors is hijacking Wikipedia, pushing pro-Palestinian propaganda, erasing key facts about Hamas, ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2095 "2024-10-25T22:50:58Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Any chance you’re affiliated with these guys? Nope. Additionally, according to the [Wilson Center](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas): “In 2017, a revised Hamas manifesto included three departures from the 1988 charter, former U.S. diplomat Aaron David Miller told [_The Islamists_](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/hamas-rebranding-new-manifesto). First, Hamas accepted the establishment of a Palestinian state separate from Israel —although only provisionally. Its statement on principles and policies said, “Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.” Second, it attempted to distinguish between Jews or Judaism and modern Zionism. Hamas said that its fight was against the “racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist” Zionist project, Israel, but not against Judaism or Jews.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2096 "2024-10-25T23:08:58Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > That’s a quote from the Qur’an. “They didn’t make that up, it’s just a quote from their holy book they believe to have been dictated by God himself and is a literal and inerrant expression of his will” isn’t exactly a vindication of Hamas. > [@InfraBlue](#): > > In 2017, a revised Hamas manifesto When people tell you who they are, believe them the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2097 "2024-10-26T00:16:50Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Wasn’t he the one killed by an Israeli tank when his group came under fire after they were mistaken for Hezbollah operatives? …from the Human Rights Watch Report: > [@](#): > > Witness accounts and video and photo evidence that Human Rights Watch verified indicate that the journalists were well removed from ongoing hostilities, clearly identifiable as members of the media, and had been stationary for at least 75 minutes before they were hit by two consecutive strikes. Human Rights Watch found no evidence of a military target near the journalists’ location. > > “This is not the first time that Israeli forces have apparently deliberately attacked journalists, with deadly and devastating results,” said [Ramzi Kaiss](https://www.hrw.org/about/people/ramzi-kaiss), Lebanon researcher at Human Rights Watch. “Those responsible need to be held to account, and it needs to be made clear that journalists and other civilians are not lawful targets.” > > … > > On October 14, an Israeli military spokesperson, Richard Hecht, [said](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-its-very-sorry-for-death-of-journalist-on-lebanese-border/) that they were “very sorry for the journalist’s death.” On October 17, Hecht told [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-still-looking-into-killing-reuters-journalist-spokesperson-2023-10-17/) that the military was “looking at the footage and [will] come out with an answer when we’re ready.” But that has not happened. > **[Israel: Strikes on Journalists in Lebanon Apparently Deliberate](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/07/israel-strikes-journalists-lebanon-apparently-deliberate)** > > Two Israeli strikes in Lebanon on October 13, 2023 that killed Reuters journalist Issam Abdallah and injured six other journalists was an apparently deliberate attack on civilians and thus a war crime. From the Amnesty International Report: > [@](#): > > Israeli strikes on a group of seven journalists in south Lebanon on 13 October, which killed Reuters journalist Issam Abdallah and injured six others, were likely a direct attack on civilians that must be investigated as a war crime, Amnesty International said today. > > Amnesty International verified over 100 videos and photographs, analyzed weapons fragments from the site, and interviewed nine witnesses. The findings indicate that the group was visibly identifiable as journalists and that the Israeli military knew or should have known that they were civilians yet attacked them anyway in two separate strikes 37 seconds apart. > > “Our investigation into the incident uncovers chilling evidence pointing to an attack on a group of international journalists who were carrying out their work by reporting on hostilities. Direct attacks on civilians and indiscriminate attacks are absolutely prohibited by international humanitarian law and can amount to war crimes,” said Aya Majzoub, Amnesty International’s Deputy Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa. > > … > > On 19 October, Amnesty International sent letters to Lebanon’s Ministry of Defence and to UNIFIL, the UN peacekeeping mission in south Lebanon, requesting information on their investigations into the 13 October attack, as well as the logs of security incidents along the border on that day. Amnesty International’s International Secretariat sent letters to the Israeli military’s spokesperson unit on 28 November and to the Minister of Defense on 2 December regarding this attack. Amnesty International had not received any responses at the time of publication. The organization also reviewed relevant statements by the Israeli military. > **[Lebanon: Deadly Israeli attack on journalists must be investigated as a war...](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/lebanon-deadly-israeli-attack-on-journalists-must-be-investigated-as-a-war-crime/)** > > Israeli strikes on a group of seven journalists in south Lebanon on 13 October, which killed Reuters journalist Issam Abdallah and injured six others, were likely a direct attack on civilians that must be investigated as a war crime, Amnesty... From the United Nations Investigation: > [@](#): > > An Israeli tank killed Reuters reporter Issam Abdallah in Lebanon last year by firing two 120 mm rounds at a group of “clearly identifiable journalists” in violation of international law, a U.N. investigation into the Oct. 13 incident has found. > > … > > UNIFIL said in its report that it sent a letter and a questionnaire to the IDF requesting their assistance. The IDF replied with a letter but did not answer the questionnaire. [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-strike-killed-clearly-identifiable-reuters-reporter-un-report-2024-03-13/) Three independent reports. All came to the same conclusion. The reporters were clearly identifiable. It was deliberate. And should be investigated as a war crime. > [@](#): > > Wasn’t he in a car with someone who was operating a drone? Operating a drone in a war zone (where civilian drones are routinely used to drop explosives or in kamikaze attacks) without clearing it with the fighting forces seems incredibly stupid. From the Committee to Protect Journalists: > [@](#): > > Al Dahdouh and Thuraya arrived at the scene at around 10:40 a.m. when rescuers were carrying bodies to an ambulance. Thuraya deployed a low-flying drone to film the area for about four minutes, according to Abu Amr and al-Bursh. [Yasser Qudih](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6-jnrLlISI), a freelance Palestinian journalist who was also there, confirmed the use of the drone. > > As the journalists were leaving the scene, an [Israeli drone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6-jnrLlISI) fired a missile at around 11:01, injuring Abu Amr and al-Bursh. > > … > > Abu Amr and al-Bursh were on their way to the hospital in the ambulance when a second Israeli drone struck the car behind them, carrying Thuraya, Al Dahdouh, a [third journalist](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-16/ty-article-opinion/.premium/when-the-israeli-army-decides-to-give-a-detailed-answer/0000018d-11de-dac4-a9cf-53ffa52b0000), Hazem Rajab, and their driver Qusai Salem. This second strike occurred about seven minutes after the first, according to Abu Amr. Al Dahdouh, Thuraya, and Salem were killed; Rajab was [seriously injured](https://network.aljazeera.net/en/press-releases/al-jazeera-condemns-assassination-hamza-aldahdooh). > > … > > CPJ emailed the North America desk of the Israel Defense Forces to identify the “terrorist” but did not receive a reply. > > … > > The IDF statement included an image of what it said was a document “found by our troops in Gaza” which included Al Dahdouh’s name on a list of Palestinian Islamic Jihad “operatives from the electronic engineering unit.” It did not share any documents showing Thuraya’s alleged links to Hamas. > > Several experts have raised questions about the document referencing Al Dahdouh, telling the [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67946441) that the use of English alongside Arabic was unusual. [Erik Skare](https://erikskare.no/), author of a book on Palestinian Islamic Jihad [told the network](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67946441), “I regularly visited the website of the al-Quds Brigades… I have read their martyr biographies, their books, etc., and I have never seen the combination of English and Arabic text.” > **[Hamza Al Dahdouh - Committee to Protect Journalists](https://cpj.org/data/people/hamza-al-dahdouh/)** > > Hamza Al Dahdouh, 27, a Palestinian journalist and cameraman for the Qatari-based broadcaster Al-Jazeera was killed along with Mustafa Thuraya, a freelance video journalist, including for Agence France-Presse (AFP), in an Israeli drone strike on... There were no IDF soldiers near by for these reporters to “drop explosives on” or to commit “kamikaze” attacks. They were in blue vests. They had “waited a day to film to avoid putting themselves at risk in case Israeli forces targeted the same house twice.” > [@](#): > > Same incident as above? > [@](#): > > Abu Amr and al-Bursh were on their way to the hospital in the ambulance when a second Israeli drone struck the car behind them, carrying Thuraya, Al Dahdouh, a [third journalist](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-16/ty-article-opinion/.premium/when-the-israeli-army-decides-to-give-a-detailed-answer/0000018d-11de-dac4-a9cf-53ffa52b0000), Hazem Rajab, and their driver Qusai Salem. This second strike occurred about seven minutes after the first, according to Abu Amr. Al Dahdouh, Thuraya, and Salem were killed; Rajab was [seriously injured](https://network.aljazeera.net/en/press-releases/al-jazeera-condemns-assassination-hamza-aldahdooh). > **[Mustafa Thuraya - Committee to Protect Journalists](https://cpj.org/data/people/mustafa-thuraya/)** > > Mustafa Thuraya, a freelance video journalist for Agence France-Presse (AFP) and other news outlets, was killed in an Israeli drone strike on January 7, 2024, along with and Hamza Al Dahdouh, a Palestinian journalist and cameraman for the... So to be clear on the timeline here, there were two drone strikes. The first injured Abu Amr and al-Bursh. An ambulance arrived to take them to hospital, Al Dahdouh and Thuraya were in a car following the ambulance, it wasn’t targeted because “they were flying a drone.” It was targeted because allegedly there was a “terrorist” in the car, the evidence for this looked obviously fabricated. > [@](#): > > He was a militant with Hamas and, unlike the rest on this list, deserved what he got. The sum total evidence for this…was a Tweet. > That’s it. Demands for clarification and evidence were ignored. From Reporters Without Borders: > [@](#): > > _Al Jazeera_ journalists **Ismail al-Ghoul** and **Rami al-Rifi** were reporting live from the al-Shati refugee camp, west of Gaza city, shortly before an Israeli strike hit their car, killing them both. [Footage](https://x.com/AnasAlSharif0/status/1818686460842643529 "Footage - ouverture dans un nouvel onglet") published by their colleague Anas al-Sharif shortly after the strike at around 4PM on 31 July shows both reporters killed inside an isolated white car in the middle of an empty street, visibly damaged by a direct strike. Al-Sharif said both reporters were found decapitated. They were wearing their press vests, according to RSF’s information. > > … > > Ismail al-Ghoul, one of Gaza’s most recognisable reporters, had already been arrested by Israeli forces in al-Shifa hospital on 18 March and released 12 hours later. > **[Targeting of Gaza’s journalists continues: Ismail al-Ghoul and Rami al-Rifi...](https://rsf.org/en/targeting-gaza-s-journalists-continues-ismail-al-ghoul-and-rami-al-rifi-killed-israeli-strike)** > > An Israeli strike killed Al Jazeera journalist Ismail al-Ghoul and photographer Rami al-Rifi on 31 July while they were on assignment in the north of Gaza. Reporters Without Borders (RSF) expresses outrage over this latest attack and calls for... Babale would have us believe that Imail, with a bachelor’s degree in journalism from the Islamic University of Gaza, who had been working in written journalism for Palestinian papers before moving into television, was a “Hamas Militant” based on nothing more than a tweet, and that he “deserved to die.” If he actually were a militant, they wouldn’t have released him 12 hours after they originally detained him. The reality was that he was a journalist, one of well over a hundred journalists targeted and deliberately killed by the IDF. And as Israel expands the war into Lebanon, they are using the exact same doctrine: > [@](#): > > An Israeli airstrike hit guesthouses where journalists were staying in southeast Lebanon on Friday, killing three media staffers from two different news agencies according to Lebanon’s state-run National News Agency. > > It was a rare airstrike on an area that has been used by the media as a base for covering the war. > > The airstrike turned buildings used by media outlets covering the war into rubble with cars marked “PRESS” being overturned and covered in dust and debris. > > The Israeli army did not issue a warning prior to the strike, which it said targeted Hezbollah militant infrastructure. > **[Israeli airstrike kills journalists covering war in Lebanon](https://www.euronews.com/2024/10/26/israeli-airstrike-killed-journalists-covering-the-war-in-lebanon-as-they-slept)** > > The Committee to Protect Journalists said it was appalled by the killing of the three journalists and called for an independent investigation. > [@](#): > > They were Hamas (and PIJ) _militants_ who also moonlighted as journalists feeding Al Jazeera the party line. Imagine how fucking stupid you would have to be to actually believe this. Here’s what the “documents” released by the IDF claim: That al-Sharif was “just moonlighting as a journalist”, but also served as head of a rocket launching squad and a member of a Nukhba Force company in Hamas’s Nuseirat Battalion. That Salameh was “just moonlighting as a journalist”, bus also served a the deputy head of the Shaboura Battalion’s propaganda unit in Islamic Jihad. That Shabat was “just moonlighting as a journalist”, but was also a sniper in Hamas’s Beit Hanoun Battalion; al-Sarraj as a member of Islamic Jihad’s Bureij Battalion. That Abu Omar was “just moonlighting as a journalist”, but is also a training company commander in the East Khan Younis Battalion. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-releases-more-documents-it-says-show-cooperation-between-hamas-and-al-jazeera/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-releases-more-documents-it-says-show-cooperation-between-hamas-and-al-jazeera/) That’s what is being alleged here. The IDF, which only a few days ago told blatant and obvious lies about “gold being hidden under hospitals” in Lebanon have a track record of using fabricated documents in pursuit of their agenda. And the fabrications are getting increasingly ridiculous as they’ve realized that nobody is going to stop them, and gullible idiots will continue to eat this up. Every accusation is a confession. There are only a handful of independent journalists still alive and reporting from Northern Gaza, where the IDF have currently stepped up operations to apocalyptic degrees. They are ethnically cleansing the north, one refugee camp at a time. Reports from every single humanitarian agency on the ground say this is the worst its been. This is all about gaining consent to target and murder the last remaining journalists on the ground in the north. Don’t fall for it. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2098 "2024-10-26T00:19:15Z")
Oh, fuck, @Banquet_Bear is back? I thought his pager blew up and took him out a few weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2099 "2024-10-26T00:27:17Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Babale would have us believe that Imail, with a bachelor’s degree in journalism from the Islamic University of Gaza, who had been working in written journalism for Palestinian papers before moving into television, was a “Hamas Militant” based on nothing more than a tweet, and that he “deserved to die.” 🤣 this is beyond fucking parody. Sorry, I didn’t realize he had a _bachelor’s degree_ from the ISLAMIC UNIVERSITY OF GAZA, clearly that makes it impossible for him to be a terrorist and I retract all accusations. Also, we must release Khalid Sheikh Mohammed at once. I know the lying Americans claim he was the architect of 9/11, but that’s clearly _impossible_, given the fact that he graduated from the North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2100 "2024-10-26T00:28:47Z")
Osama Bin Laden, graduate of King Abdulaziz University, was also clearly falsely accused. As we all know, terrorism and higher education are inherently incompatible. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=106)