# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2101 "2024-10-26T00:35:23Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > 🤣 this is beyond fucking parody. …you’ve got fucking nothing. No evidence at all. Just a fucking tweet from the IDF. That’s it. That’s all you’ve got. There is plenty of evidence he was a working journalist. None that he was a militant. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2102 "2024-10-26T00:37:03Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Oh, fuck, @Banquet_Bear is back? I thought his pager blew up and took him out a few weeks ago. …this is in really fucking poor taste. My business has crashed. I’m struggling to live. My phone and power got cut off. I lost 15kg. Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2103 "2024-10-26T00:43:49Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you’ve got fucking nothing. > > No evidence at all. > > Just a fucking tweet from the IDF. > > That’s it. That’s all you’ve got. > > There is plenty of evidence he was a working journalist. None that he was a militant. Under your framework, where the IDF are subhuman monstrous genocidal liars, you are correct. If we aren’t raging anti-Semites about it, we are forced to contend with the possibility that the documents the IDF put out are genuine. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2104 "2024-10-26T00:44:23Z")
Welcome back to the thread, Banquet\_Bear! Odd timing for your return. Shouldn’t you be blocking traffic while waving an Iranian flag or soemething? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2105 "2024-10-26T00:46:48Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Under your framework, where the IDF are subhuman monstrous genocidal liars, you are correct. If we aren’t raging anti-Semites about it, we are forced to contend with the possibility that the documents the IDF put out are genuine. …you could be posting the evidence that he was a militant instead of taking cheap shots at me. You can’t though. Because there isn’t any. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2106 "2024-10-26T00:48:09Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …this is in really fucking poor taste. So’s being a terrorist supporter like you, repeating their blood libelous propaganda for free. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > My business has crashed. I’m struggling to live. My phone and power got cut off. I lost 15kg. Boo fucking hoo with your eternal victimhood. I really don’t give a fuck. Businesses run by terrorist supporters should be Boycotted, Divested from, and Sanctioned. ---
**Author:** ![stretch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@stretch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stretch)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2107 "2024-10-26T00:52:18Z")
This is just disgusting. What respect I had for you as a poster is gone. I know, I know…who gives a shit. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2108 "2024-10-26T00:52:52Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you could be posting the evidence that he was a militant instead of taking cheap shots at me. > > You can’t though. Because there isn’t any. You are, of course, as is par for the course by now, a bold faced liar. It’s not “one tweet”, it’s Hamas’ own documentation showing that he was a militant: > **[המסמך שמוכיח: "עיתונאי" אל-ג'זירה שחוסל - בטבלת פעילי חמאס](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/h170w6ik0)** > > צה"ל חשף מסמך שמוכיח שאיסמעיל אל-גול היה חבר בזרוע הצבאית של בחמאס ושימש כהנדסאי בחטיבת עזה בארגון הטרור. "למרות הניסיונות השקריים להציגו כעיתונאי - הוא היה מחבל פעיל", נמסר. ברצועה דיווחו על "15 הרוגים בתקיפת בית ספר", צה"ל: "שימש כמקום מסתור של... ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2109 "2024-10-26T00:55:32Z")
> [@stretch](#): > > This is just disgusting. What respect I had for you as a poster is gone. I know, I know…who gives a shit. Great - you might realize 5% of what I feel when smug, slimy fucks like Banquet Buddy or InfraBrain or MrDibble delegitimize my country and my people’s liberation movement, using the term “Zionist” as a slur, and so on. And to be clear, I was simply sharing my honest stance. I will _never_ support the business of _any_ anti-“Zionist”. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2110 "2024-10-26T00:55:47Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So’s being a terrorist supporter like you, repeating their blood libelous propaganda for free. …yet another evidence free reply. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2111 "2024-10-26T00:57:40Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …yet another evidence free reply Why don’t you colonize that scroll wheel and review the next post ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2112 "2024-10-26T01:02:08Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You are, of course, as is par for the course by now, a bold faced liar. It’s not “one tweet”, it’s Hamas’ own documentation showing that he was a militant: > > [המסמך שמוכיח: "עיתונאי" אל-ג'זירה שחוסל - בטבלת פעילי חמאס](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/h170w6ik0) …ah yes. Another “Hamas spreadsheet”, that revealed that allegedly three years ago he was an engineer isn’t evidence that he was an “active terrorist in Hamas”, which is the claim. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2113 "2024-10-26T01:04:10Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …ah yes. Another “Hamas spreadsheet”, that revealed that allegedly three years ago he was an engineer isn’t evidence that he was an “active terrorist in Hamas”, which is the claim …it’s infinitely more evidence than you have for YOUR claim, that Israel killed an innocent journalist because they’re evil, bloodthirsty Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2114 "2024-10-26T01:07:18Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > …it’s infinitely more evidence than you have for YOUR claim, that Israel killed an innocent journalist because they’re evil, bloodthirsty Jews. …I never claimed “Israel killed an innocent journalist because they’re evil, bloodthirsty Jews.” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2115 "2024-10-26T01:08:07Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I never claimed “Israel killed an innocent journalist because they’re evil, bloodthirsty Jews.” Cool, I’m glad we agree he was killed for his terrorist acts, then. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2116 "2024-10-26T01:11:10Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Cool, I’m glad we agree he was killed for his terrorist acts, then. …he didn’t commit any terrorist acts. Not even the IDF have presented evidence of that. His name is allegedly on a spreadsheet, a spreadsheet that hasn’t been independently verified, that says he was an engineer three years before he was killed. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2117 "2024-10-26T01:19:53Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …he didn’t commit any terrorist acts. Not even the IDF have presented evidence of that. He produced training material for Hamas, which absolutely is an act of terror - as much as securing or moving, but not directly firing, rockets. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > His name is allegedly on a spreadsheet, a spreadsheet that hasn’t been independently verified I’m _so sorry_ that the IDF doesn’t let your favorite terrorist simping NGO participate in raids under Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2118 "2024-10-26T01:27:39Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He produced training material for Hamas, which absolutely is an act of terror - as much as securing or moving, but not directly firing, rockets. …apart from the statement from the IDF spokesperson, where is the evidence for this? > [@Babale](#): > > I’m _so sorry_ that the IDF doesn’t let your favorite terrorist simping NGO participate in raids under Gaza. From a few days ago: > [@](#): > > Oxfam condemns in the strongest terms the killing in Gaza today of four water engineers and workers from the Khuzaa municipality who were working with our strategic partner the Coastal Municipalities Water Utility (CMWU). > > The four men were killed on their way to conduct repairs to water infrastructure in Khuzaa, east of Khan Younis. Despite prior coordination with Israeli authorities their clearly-marked vehicle was bombed. Oxfam stands in solidarity with the CMWU, their partners and the families of the victims. > **[Oxfam condemns killing of water engineers in Gaza](https://www.oxfam.org.nz/news-media/oxfam-condemns-killing-of-water-engineers-in-gaza/)** > > Oxfam condemns in the strongest terms the killing in Gaza today of four water engineers and workers from the Khuzaa municipality. Journalists. Aid workers. NGO’s.Hospitals. Schools. Look how breathlessly Babale talks about them in almost conspiratorial tones as they get systematically targeted and murdered in Gaza, the West Bank, and now Lebanon. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2119 "2024-10-26T01:28:40Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Journalists. Aid workers. NGO’s.Hospitals. Schools. Hamas. Hamas. Hamas. Hamas. Hamas. I say again; shouldn’t you be out in the streets waving an Iranian flag right now? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2120 "2024-10-26T01:32:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I say again; shouldn’t you be out in the streets waving an Iranian flag right now? His handlers in Teheran are probably having a hard time getting a hold of him at the moment… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=105) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=107)