# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 114
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2261 "2024-12-30T17:14:02Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > And here I was hoping some of Israel’s other supporters would at least condemn his language, instead it’s defended. I’m not a fan of his language, but supporting terrorists like Hamas, the Houthis, or Hezbollah is about 10,000 times worse, so I’m not gonna waste any electrons complaining about a molehill when there’s a mountain right in front of me. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2262 "2024-12-30T17:22:09Z")
Don’t forget; any criticism of what the IDF are doing means you must be pro-terrorist. Those are the only two options. It’s pretty surprising that there are so many humanitarian NGOs and Jews, here in the UK, that are apparently Hamas supporters, but there we are. More specifically on @Banquet_Bear, I don’t know his full posting history but he certainly seems willing to condemn 10/7 in very clear terms, while the various Bibi apologists here will not concede a single war crime, except obliquely (atrocities happen _everywhere!_) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2263 "2024-12-30T17:27:13Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Don’t forget; any criticism of what the IDF are doing means you must be pro-terrorist. Those are the only two options. Those aren’t the only two options, but Banquet Buddy specifically said that there are very valid reasons to be pro Houthi, pro Hamas, and pro Hezbollah; and has brushed off all evidence of Hamas wrongdoings, including our and our confessions. But sure, keep pretending that he’s against terrorism and just offering valid criticism of the IDF. That will make me take you seriously 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2264 "2024-12-30T17:59:49Z")
I just gave my reasoning for why I think banquet bear is the one who is condemning atrocities, in the part you didn’t quote. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2265 "2024-12-30T18:22:36Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I just gave my reasoning for why I think banquet bear is the one who is condemning atrocities, in the part you didn’t quote. Babbel only cares about his caricature of BB. > [@Babale](#): > > I’m not a fan of his language Would you still be just “not a fan” if someone replaced Israel in his statement with Hamas? Who am I kidding? Of course not! You’ll throw accusations of anti-Semitism at someone angry that the same kind of violent language led to the murder of a child in the US. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2266 "2024-12-30T18:34:43Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > soying out Really? “Soying out”? You think being the very paragon of a manosphere asshole is the way to defend Israel? > [@Babale](#): > > a self admitted supporter of Hezbollah, the Houthis, and of course, Hamas. You can of course _quote_ BB on this, right? This isn’t just more lies? What am I talking about - of course it’s more lies, that’s been all your side has done, since Oct 8 last year. Well, that and slaughter innocents like it’s Jesus’ birthday. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2267 "2024-12-30T18:55:31Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Really? “Soying out”? You think being the very paragon of a manosphere asshole is the way to defend Israel? How meta - yet another terrorist taint licker is soying out over the term “soying out”. Bothers him much more than the murder and rape of teenagers at a music festival. Hardly surprising. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2268 "2024-12-30T18:59:07Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > If you assume that Netanyahu and Ben Gvir and Shas are all one unified side, their actions make no sense. They all want violence; they’re all working towards violence. Makes perfect sense. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2269 "2024-12-30T19:11:35Z")
What the fuck does “soying out” mean? ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2270 "2024-12-30T19:13:53Z")
[Soy boy,](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/soy-boy) from the bro-shphere to dismiss wimpy men ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2271 "2024-12-30T19:25:08Z")
And what does that have to do with the war between Hamas and Israel? Or Israel’s genocide of Gaza? Or Hamas’ desired genocide of Israel? Or the price of tea in China? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2272 "2024-12-30T19:26:58Z")
It’s intentionally insulting language for people that don’t like dehumanizing innocents. Babbel is just throwing a tantrum because he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2273 "2024-12-30T19:30:45Z")
Yeah, that’s it- double down on the Tate-speak, definitely makes you look like the sane one… Of course, you had no answer for the other part of my post, because liars gotta lie. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2274 "2024-12-30T19:33:27Z")
[Here you go](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/soy_out). Babale’s just gone full Chad. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2275 "2024-12-30T19:54:11Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > And what does that have to do with the war between Hamas and Israel? Or Israel’s genocide of Gaza? Or Hamas’ desired genocide of Israel? Or the price of tea in China? It’s the exact encapsulation of DrDeth and Banquet Buddy’s selective, performative outrage. Calls for shooting all the whites in South Africa, or eradicating the state of Israel (and doing to the Jews within the new Palestine the same thing that happened to the Jews in all other Arab countries)? A-OK, he will explain to you why that’s actually not racist and is totally cool. Using a term that some morons on the right also use? _“Whaaaa!!! Whaaaa! Whaaaa! You’re a racist and a fascist!”_. Fuck him and his crocodile tears. When the people he supports have a moment of strength, he’d never hold them to the same standard; they can butcher and rape with impunity because they’re ‘oppressed’. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2276 "2024-12-30T19:59:19Z")
Again, cites for any of that? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2277 "2024-12-30T20:11:29Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > It’s intentionally insulting language for people that don’t like dehumanizing innocents. No, it’s intentionally insulting language for people who go further in defending Hamas’ actions than even Hamas does. This whole ‘Hamas doesn’t use human shields’ canard that Banquet Buddy has been repeating is such an unbelievable claim that _even Hamas doesn’t make it_, but there goes Banquet Buddy, loyally defending the cause. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2278 "2024-12-30T20:17:06Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > This whole ‘Hamas doesn’t use human shields’ canard that Banquet Buddy has been repeating is such an unbelievable claim that _even Hamas doesn’t make it_, but there goes Banquet Buddy, loyally defending the cause. Honestly, I’m surprised he hasn’t claimed that Hamas doesn’t even exist at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2279 "2024-12-30T20:23:04Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Honestly, I’m surprised he hasn’t claimed that Hamas doesn’t even exist at this poin Please don’t give him his next talking points. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2024, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2280 "2024-12-30T20:43:32Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Banquet Buddy specifically said that there are very valid reasons to be pro Houthi, pro Hamas, and pro Hezbollah; and has brushed off all evidence of Hamas wrongdoings, including our and our confessions. I’m not certain what confessions that refers to, but i can’t recall ever seeing Banquet\_Bear speaking good Houthi, Hamas, or Hezbollah. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=113) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=115)