# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 125
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2481 "2025-04-06T14:45:38Z")
Fixed it. Key takeaway: > In total it is likely that 62,413 people have died of starvation and its compilations in Gaza from October 7, 2023 to September 30, 2024. Most of these will have been young children. That’s speaking of the probabiliies, the actual total could be different - but only by a few percent. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2482 "2025-04-06T14:51:01Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > [Thousands have died of starvation.](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/66e083452b3cbf4bbd719aa2/t/66fcd754b472610b6335d66f/1727846228615/Appendix+20241002.pdf), you fascist pig. Your link doesn’t say that, you lying piece of shit. It takes the “famine level” some retards declared, multiples the expected number of deaths at that fanine level by the numbers of days that passed, and claims this many people died. The _fact that that many people **did not** die of starvation is how we know the famine level classification was bullshit_. If people actually died of starvation en masse, you should be able to show that this happened. Instead, you have a table from some retards who figured out how to multiply. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2483 "2025-04-06T14:51:04Z")
But that is not “thousands”. That is _tens_ of thousands. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2484 "2025-04-06T14:52:39Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > That’s speaking of the probabiliies, the actual total could be different - but only by a few percent. Because you declared it so? You need to provide actual _evidence_ for this, you dishonest piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2485 "2025-04-06T14:58:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But that is not “thousands”. > That is _tens_ of thousands. You do know that people in Gaza have cell phones, right? And internet? if tens of thousands of people have starved to death, how come the _only_ evidence of this is someone declaring “they’re in a famine level X, Y people die per day at that level, Z days have passed, so Y\*Z people are dead of starvation”? How come there is zero actual evidence of starvation, beyond the 30-40 cases of people in hospitals with specialized dietary requirements at the start of the war? It’s what some might call “suspicious”. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2486 "2025-04-06T14:59:07Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You do know that people in Gaza have cell phones, right? Including some that explode! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2487 "2025-04-06T15:03:46Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Including some that explode!. That was Lebanon, and those were pagers. Unless you mean the standard Samsung Galaxy exploding battery issue we all had a few years back. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2488 "2025-04-06T15:11:44Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Your link doesn’t say that, you lying piece of shit. Yes, it does. > [@Babale](#): > > some retards Tell us all again how liberal you are, it’s hard to see past the spittle. > [@Babale](#): > > claims this many people died Like I said, if it’s off by a few percent, that’s hardly going to exonerate Israel. > [@Babale](#): > > The _fact that that many people **did not** die of starvation_ …is not a “fact”, genocide-lover. > [@Babale](#): > > If people actually died of starvation en masse, you should be able to show that this happened. ..by accessing Gaza? How the hell can anyone do that, nowadays? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > But that is not “thousands”. > That is _tens_ of thousands. Tens of thousands are thousands. Many, many thousands. > [@Babale](#): > > Because you declared it so? Because the people who study this kind of thing say so. > [@Babale](#): > > You need to provide actual _evidence_ for this The deaths and calorie levels we’ve already seen _are_ the evidence. This is just extrapolation from the facts on the ground. > [@Babale](#): > > you dishonest piece of shit. Coming from someone who can’t stop licking IOF butthole long enough to stop defending them when they gun down medics and literally cover it up, I take that as high praise. > [@Babale](#): > > You do know that people in Gaza have cell phones, right? And internet? [Ha ha ha.](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/03/1229402063/gaza-communications-cell-phone-internet-service-blackouts-paltel) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2489 "2025-04-06T15:15:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > claims this many people died > > Like I said, if it’s off by a few percent, that’s hardly going to exonerate Israel. I knew you were full of shit when you said you’d retract your claim if thousands of people didn’t starve. But I didn’t realize your evidence was **literally** going to be “trust me bro, the estimates we made last year were spot on, just project them out and you know how many people died to within a few percent”. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2490 "2025-04-06T15:17:30Z")
Oh, I forgot, we are supposed to trust the IOF’s death toll instead. You know, the famously honest and scrupulous IOF. Hey, remind me, why are you sitting in Cali cheerleading the genocide, and not taking your turn in the IOF to defend the Fatherland?? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2491 "2025-04-06T15:32:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Oh, I forgot, we are supposed to trust the IOF’s death toll instead. No, you’re supposed to provide _any evidence whatsoever_ besides someone pulling a famine level out of their ass and someone else multiplying numbers on a chart. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Hey, remind me, why are you sitting in Cali cheerleading the genocide I’m cheering genocide because I want a two state solution, and you are totally justified in cheering “kill the Boers” because even though you’re _saying_ “kill the ethnic group” what you _mean_ is super nuanced, you promise. You couldn’t be any more obvious about your “white = evil genocider, brown = based and awesome” racism. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2492 "2025-04-06T16:46:08Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > …retards … retards… You’re just covering yourself in glory here. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2493 "2025-04-06T20:30:46Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > No, you’re supposed to provide _any evidence whatsoever_ besides the well-researched and comprehensive statistics work of experts in the field? I’ll take that over the non-evidence of the IOF any day. > [@Babale](#): > > I’m cheering genocide because I want a two state solution Where one of the states is a cemetery, yeah, we know. > [@Babale](#): > > you are totally justified in cheering “kill the Boers” Something I’ve never done. And hence certainly not something you can cite me doing here. I _have_ sung _Dubul’ ibhunu_ once upon a time. But as I know you know, that’s not the same thing at all. > [@Babale](#): > > You couldn’t be any more obvious about your “white = evil genocider, brown = based and awesome” racism. Strange, somehow accusations of racism from the cowardly cheerleader-in-chief of a literal Apartheid state doesn’t seem to sting at all. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2494 "2025-04-06T23:55:35Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > and you are totally justified in cheering “kill the Boers” I’m a white South African; I am sensitive to this type of language even though I am not a “boer”\* @MrDibble has never, as far as I am aware, called for “killing the boers” \* For non Dutch/Afrikaans speakers: “boer” means “farmer”, in direct translation, but quite a bit more nuanced, it is used both as a pejorative for white people, and a name Afrikaans people take pride in. Slightly different, but see also use of “nigger” as used in US culture across different racial groups. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2495 "2025-04-07T00:04:46Z")
In the context of the fight against Apartheid, “boer” was also used as a catchall term for the armed forces/police of the Apartheid government, right? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2496 "2025-04-07T00:09:57Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > @MrDibble has never, as far as I am aware, called for “killing the boers” He sure spent a lot of time defending the phrase for someone who doesn’t use it himself, but fair enough, my mistake. > [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > No, you’re supposed to provide _any evidence whatsoever_ besides > > the well-researched and comprehensive statistics work of experts in the field? So 0 hard evidence for allegedly tens of thousands dead. Good to know the level of intellectual honesty we are dealing with here. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Where one of the states is a cemetery, yeah, we know. That sounds like a one state solution. Not what I’m looking for. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2497 "2025-04-07T00:10:26Z")
All white people, but especially the armed forces and police. Aside: I once had a parking dispute with a young lady - I had an assigned parking place in a lot that my company had paid for, and she had parked in the clearly marked place… and she ended the conversation with, “you racist fucking boer!”…which made me laugh at her lack of self awareness. And then she had forgotten to pay her parking ticket, so schandenfreude overflowed. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2498 "2025-04-07T00:49:48Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > @MrDibble has never, as far as I am aware, called for “killing the boers” And yet, literally two posts up; > [@MrDibble](#): > > I _have_ sung _Dubul’ ibhunu_ once upon a time ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2499 "2025-04-07T00:52:47Z")
Perhaps you are missing some cultural significance here. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2500 "2025-04-07T05:02:46Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > That sounds like a one state solution. Not what I’m looking for. No, you want two states only if _one_ of them is a beach resort built on a mass grave. Just like [Nahsholim](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahsholim). > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > In the context of the fight against Apartheid, “boer” was also used as a catchall term for the armed forces/police of the Apartheid government, right? Right. As I explained in that “woke” thread Babale no doubt already read. > [@Smapti](#): > > And yet, literally two posts up; > [@scudsucker](#): > > Perhaps you are missing some cultural significance here. Well, if _any_ poster wouldn’t understand our local equivalent of “Fuck Tha Police”, it’s well-known police bootlicker Smapti. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=124) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=126)