# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 131
**Author:** ![mplo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac8455/32.png) [@mplo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mplo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2601 "2025-06-28T15:44:05Z")
> srael has nuclear weapons, so that won’t happen. Who says? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2025, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2602 "2025-06-28T22:59:01Z")
I would be surprised if they didn’t, or could make them quickly. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2603 "2025-07-11T11:17:14Z")
The Israeli government is now openly admitting they plan to concentrate Gazans into a camp, with the only way out to leave Gaza. > **[Israel defence minister plans to move Gaza's population to camp](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rp31lk7mzo)** > > Israel Katz tells Israeli media the so-called "humanitarian city" in Rafah will eventually house 2.1 million Palestinians. Anyone still supporting the Israeli government and IDF in this conflict is now supporting a deliberate policy of ethnic cleansing and concentration camps. So, you know, fuck you to those people. I don’t know how you can live with yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2604 "2025-07-11T13:35:53Z")
And don’t dare commit the Blood Libel of comparing this to the Warsaw Ghetto. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2605 "2025-07-13T04:35:58Z")
A sad inversion on the “Florida man” trope today: [https://www.npr.org/2025/07/12/g-s1-77345/israeli-settlers-u-s-citizen-death-west-bank](https://www.npr.org/2025/07/12/g-s1-77345/israeli-settlers-u-s-citizen-death-west-bank) The tagline on [npr.org](http://npr.org) was: > A 21-year-old Florida man was beaten to death by Israeli settlers while visiting family in the West Bank. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2606 "2025-07-13T10:00:31Z")
The very best long term allies of Hamas and Hezbollah are the current Israeli government and their extremist settler allies. Violence and death forever! ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2607 "2025-07-15T14:10:53Z")
It’s not a concentration camp, it’s a “humanitarian city”! They’ll just be staying there for a little while before the IDF takes them to live on a nice farm upstate where they can run and play all day. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2608 "2025-07-15T14:12:28Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > And don’t dare commit the Blood Libel of comparing this to the Warsaw Ghetto. Yes, only notorious antisemites like Ehud Olmert would draw such comparisons. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2609 "2025-08-05T01:24:58Z")
I wonder where he got this idea? [Netanyahu moves to fire attorney general prosecuting him for corruption.](https://www.axios.com/2025/08/04/netanyahu-fire-israel-attorney-general-trial) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2026, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2610 "2026-03-12T14:53:04Z")
> **[Israeli military drops charges against soldiers accused of sexually...](https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-war-palestinians-prison-abuse-b11e5f0639b7fe51c5ea101f4b320f56?link_source=ta_bluesky_link&taid=69b2d087b1a5a00001afc179&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=bluesky)** > > The Israeli military says it is dropping charges against five soldiers who were accused of sexually abusing a Palestinian detainee in an encounter partially caught on camera. Israel drops charges against the soldiers who sexually assaulted a Palestinian detainee with a knife. Absolutely disgusting, but par for the course for this government, which at this point are basically enemies of humanity. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2026, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2611 "2026-03-15T07:45:52Z")
Settlers ran over a 6 year old girl in the West Bank (according to reports). No prosecution, obviously. You don’t prosecute criminals who victimize the lesser class in an apartheid society: [https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/6-year-old-girl-hospitalized-after-palestinians-say-she-was-run-over-by-israeli-settler/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/6-year-old-girl-hospitalized-after-palestinians-say-she-was-run-over-by-israeli-settler/) ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2026, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2612 "2026-03-16T17:24:51Z")
I’m at work walking on a busy sidewalk so cannot cite at the moment. A radio station I listened to for a few seconds insinuated that many European leaders today are turning down Trump’s calls to help opening the strait of Hormuz widely again. I wondered if any part of this second sentence is at all accurate. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2026, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2613 "2026-03-16T20:04:47Z")
What Hamas officially said is that it urges Iran to stop attacking Gulf states: > **[Hamas urges key ally Iran to halt attacks on Gulf states](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg3xk6xgyzo)** > > The Palestinian group also affirms Tehran's right to defend itself from "aggression" by the US and Israel. It is, of course, a lie that Iran is only attacking “American installations”. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2026, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2614 "2026-03-17T13:16:27Z")
This interview takes it as given that Trump is pressuring NATO to help open the strait of hormuz and other nations are saying, “not my circus”. > **[Middle East experts discuss Trump’s pressure on NATO to reopen Strait of Hormuz](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/middle-east-experts-discuss-trumps-pressure-on-nato-to-reopen-strait-of-hormuz)** > > Iran is still blocking the Strait of Hormuz and President Trump is now demanding that NATO allies act to help reopen it. For two views on this and the war, Amna Nawaz spoke with retired Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan and Nathalie Tocci. Donegan is the... ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2026, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2615 "2026-03-17T16:30:48Z")
Thank you Puzzlegal for your cite - it was a good one to get! ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2616 "2026-03-31T18:30:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Settlers ran over a 6 year old girl in the West Bank (according to reports). No prosecution, obviously. You don’t prosecute criminals who victimize the lesser class in an apartheid society: Now wait, it’s a gross exaggeration and horribly anti-Semitic to call Israel an “apartheid society”. Oh, wait… [‘Discriminatory’ Israeli death penalty law would be war crime, says UN rights chief | Israel | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/31/israel-death-penalty-law-international-criticism) They just passed a law that would impose the death penalty on Palestinians convicted of terrorism, but NOT on Jews. The exact same action will be punished differently by the courts depending on the ethnicity of the perpetrator. But that’s not anything like apartheid because mumble mumble, hey look over there, BUT MUH HOLOCAUST!!1!! ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2617 "2026-04-06T07:51:44Z")
I shop for produce and other groceries at this one store that has had to hire security for the first time. The Persian manager is always very perceptive of customers. He told me with a grin and a dismissive open palm that some war-related weirdos had been giving him crap since the U S started bombing Iran this year. Luckily it’s a chain store so they have some budget for security. Still it bums me out for sure! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2618 "2026-04-26T11:01:23Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > I have no idea why @Babale is continuing to debate the “Jews are subject to a special set of restrictions” brigade. > > Let them fly their genocidal freak flag. Tragically amusing to look back at old posts like this. Israeli soldiers gang raped a Palestinian prisoner on camera, and they weren’t prosecuted. Is demanding prosecution for rape a “special set of restrictions” for Jews? ISTM that an organization willing to excuse on camera gang rape without prosecution is willing to excuse any kind of atrocity. Imagine what they’ve been doing off camera. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2619 "2026-04-26T11:04:01Z")
Indeed, it appears I backed the wrong horse. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2026, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2620 "2026-04-26T11:06:11Z")
Good for you for being willing to admit this. If you don’t mind, could you go into the details of what changed your thinking - i.e. when, what particular incident (if it was just one), and why? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=130) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=132)