# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 134
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2661 "2026-04-27T00:29:15Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You did it for me, thank you! You “journalist” was indeed on Hamas’ own list of fighters. Now, you will try to pretend that it’s not real evidence because it came from the ~~Jewish~~ (((Zionist))) IDF. …here’s another element of Babale’s schtick. Accusations of antisemitism. We are really getting a “greatest hits” out of you here in this thread, aren’t we? That doesn’t work any more. Al-Sharif wasn’t a “TikTok” person; they worked for a reputable news agency (your opinion of them notwithstanding). Which of the “TikTok journalists” were conducting Hamas activities? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2662 "2026-04-27T00:30:00Z")
This is what Banquet Buddy (short for Buddy Buddy With Terrorists) and the CPJ do: > [@](#): > > For example, since Israel began its war against Hamas following the October 7 atrocities, the CPJ has included on its list people like Hamza Murtaja (who was reportedly a member of Hamas’ military wing), Mustafa Thuraya (who reportedly served as a Hamas deputy squad commander), and Mohammad Jarghoun (who reportedly served in Hamas’ al-Qassam Brigades). > > According to international law, “when a journalist takes a direct part in the hostilities… he loses his immunity and becomes a legitimate target.” ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2663 "2026-04-27T00:30:35Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > This is what Banquet Buddy (short for Buddy Buddy With Terrorists) You know, ad hominem attacks don’t bolster your credibility. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2664 "2026-04-27T00:31:19Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I don’t know about any other genocides that are orders of magnitudes more deadly. Then maybe you should educate yourself to the slightest degree before spouting off about bullshit you don’t understand. During this Gaza War, how many civilians did the Rapid Support Forces butcher? I’m sure you have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2665 "2026-04-27T00:32:16Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > You know, ad hominem attacks don’t bolster your credibility I called him a mean name; he cited an organization that claims known terrorists are journalists. You go ahead and figure out credibility however you like. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2666 "2026-04-27T00:34:24Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > though I could have done without the snark. …I think “At this point, in this thread, it’s an assertion.” deserved the snark sorry. Puzzlegal’s wiki had a list of names, agencies and direct citations. The targeted killings of journalists is extremely well documented. Its is beyond just an “assertion.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2667 "2026-04-27T00:35:13Z")
The Israeli government lawyers lied. You’re repeating their propaganda. Wikipedia isn’t repeating it, they’re reporting it. There’s a difference. Israeli prosecutors didn’t even try to prosecute. They didn’t try to seat a jury. And the idea that, with the video evidence, and the Israeli doctor’s report of injury consistent with rape, they lacked evidence, is not remotely credible. If you accept it then you’re beyond gullible. Face it - you’re a rape apologist. Just like the Israeli government. Rape is okay with you, if the victim is Palestinian. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2668 "2026-04-27T00:35:16Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > This is what Banquet Buddy (short for Buddy Buddy With Terrorists) and the CPJ do: …who exactly are you citing? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2669 "2026-04-27T00:36:17Z")
> [@I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1914): > > The targeted killings of journalists is extremely well documented. Its is beyond just an “assertion.” The fact that the people you and the PCJ call “journalists” and defend are actually terrorists is extremely well documented. > [@Babale](#): > > For example, since Israel began its war against Hamas following the October 7 atrocities, the CPJ has included on its list people like Hamza Murtaja (who was reportedly a member of Hamas’ military wing), Mustafa Thuraya (who reportedly served as a Hamas deputy squad commander), and Mohammad Jarghoun (who reportedly served in Hamas’ al-Qassam Brigades). > > According to international law, “when a journalist takes a direct part in the hostilities… he loses his immunity and becomes a legitimate target.” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2670 "2026-04-27T00:37:38Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …who exactly are you citing? Probably a Jew, I know that’s a serious problem for you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2671 "2026-04-27T00:38:42Z")
More on killing journalists: > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6061): > > [https://www.972mag.com/israel-gaza-journalists-hamas-hasbara/](https://www.972mag.com/israel-gaza-journalists-hamas-hasbara/) Israel set up a special unit to “identify Gaza-based journalists it could portray as undercover Hamas operatives, in an effort to blunt growing global outrage over Israel’s killing of reporters — the latest of whom was Al Jazeera journalist Anas Al-Sharif, killed in an Israeli airstrike this past week.” Further: “If the global media is talking about Israel killing innocent journalists, then immediately there’s a push to find one j… ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2672 "2026-04-27T00:40:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The Israeli government lawyers lied. And your cite for that is…? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They didn’t try to seat a jury. Of course they didn’t. Israel doesn’t do trial by jury. But of course you knew that, being such an expert on how Israeli law works and all. 🙄 > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And the idea that, with the video evidence, and the Israeli doctor’s report of injury consistent with rape, they lacked evidence, is not remotely credible. If you accept it then you’re beyond gullible. Well, who even needs a trial when you can just decide that they _must_ be guilty? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2673 "2026-04-27T00:44:11Z")
You were the one who first mentioned a jury: [https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1878?u=iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1878) Why did you mention jury knowing that it had nothing to do with why Israel was refusing to prosecute this gang rape? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2674 "2026-04-27T00:44:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And your cite for that is…? I believe you’re meant to assume that the (((Zionists))) are bloodthirsty murderous raping monsters by nature until proven otherwise, and when proven otherwise you of course dismiss said proof as (((Zionist))) propaganda. > [@Smapti](#): > > Of course they didn’t. Israel doesn’t do trial by jury. Which is proof of how evil they are!!!111eleven11!1!1!! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2675 "2026-04-27T00:45:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why did you mention jury knowing that it had nothing to do with why Israel was refusing to prosecute this gang rape? So you could demonstrate your ignorance of how the Israeli judicial system works by failing to correct me. Good show. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2676 "2026-04-27T00:49:18Z")
Here’s a specific journalist assassinated by the IDF based on vague, unverified evidence, after years of IDF threats against him: > **[Assassination of Anas Al-Sharif](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Anas_Al-Sharif?wprov=sfla1)** > > On 10 August 2025, Anas Al-Sharif, a Palestinian journalist working for Al Jazeera, was assassinated in an Israeli airstrike on a media tent outside Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. The strike also killed four other journalists – Mohammed Qreiqeh, Ibrahim Zaher, Mohammed Noufal, and Moamen Aliwa – along with two others, including Al-Sharif's nephew. > The attack was widely condemned by Al Jazeera, press freedom organizations, and Palestinian authorities as a deliberate assault on journalists, wh... They claim, without evidence, he was a Hamas commander _at the same time he was a broadcast journalist for Al Jazeera_ : > The IDF alleged that Al-Sharif served as the leader of a rocket launching squad and was a member of a [Nukhba force](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nukhba_forces) company in Hamas’s East Jabalia Battalion. Al Jazeera dismissed the reports as “fabricated accusations”.[[16]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Anas_Al-Sharif#cite_note-d011-16) _[The Guardian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian)_ describes the report as “an unconvincing dossier of unverified evidence” and said the IDF has not explained how al-Sharif was able to be both a military commander and regular broadcaster simultaneously.[[8]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Anas_Al-Sharif#cite_note-Guardian_legitimisation-8) According to [BBC News](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_News), Al-Sharif had worked with a Hamas media group prior to the October 7 attacks, but can be heard criticizing Hamas in some of his social media videos before his death. This is one of dozens/hundreds of similar stories. The IDF routinely threatens Palestinian journalists who report negatively on Israel, then kills them, and uses the barest patina of unverified information to justify these assassinations. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2677 "2026-04-27T00:51:25Z")
Aha! Just like you fell into my trap, repeating your initial mention of jury. Nice try, rape apologist. Years from now, you’ll look back and be ashamed of how you rationalized, justified, and excused gang rape and other atrocities. At least, if you develop some decency. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2678 "2026-04-27T00:52:46Z")
Anas Al-Sharif was, according to Hamas, the leader of a Hamas cell. But I suppose they didn’t mean that he was _literally_ the head of a terrorist cell, they just mean it _poetically_, the way the IRGC means it when they say “Death to America”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2679 "2026-04-27T00:53:28Z")
I go by evidence - the video, and the doctor’s report, of the gang rape. I understand that’s not your thing - just another rape apologist. Raping Palestinians is okay with you. They probably were asking for it, right? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2680 "2026-04-27T00:53:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Nice try, rape apologist. So, Hamas is putting the 10/7 rapists on trial when? Oh, that’s right. Israel are the only ones you expect to be held to any kind of moral standard. Hamas is free to celebrate and honor its rapists because something something apartheid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=133) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=135)