# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 135
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2681 "2026-04-27T00:54:28Z")
Baseless lies. Israel may say that Hamas said this, but that doesn’t make it true. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2682 "2026-04-27T00:55:41Z")
Wait, are you in favor of prosecuting rapists now? Or do you think Israel should be copying Hamas? Right now, that’s what they’re doing… failing to prosecute rapists. Just like Hamas. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2683 "2026-04-27T00:56:11Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Probably a Jew, I know that’s a serious problem for you. …again: Babale’s got nothing. We are now at the point where unfounded accusations of antisemitism should be against the rules. I know we are in the pit. But this really is the lowest of the low. And I’ll tell you who Babale is citing. They are citing “Honest Reporting”. A literal cesspool of lies and propaganda. From the Wikipedia page: > [@wiki](#): > > **HonestReporting** or **Honest Reporting** is an [Israeli](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) media advocacy group.[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HonestReporting#cite_note-Balmer-1) A [pro-Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism) [media watchdog](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_watchdog),[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HonestReporting#cite_note-2)[[3]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HonestReporting#cite_note-3)[[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HonestReporting#cite_note-Misbar-2025a-4) it describes its mission as “combat[ting] ideological prejudice in journalism and the media, as it impacts Israel”. They aren’t a neutral source. They are literally an advocacy site for one of the parties in this conflict. Here is a direct link to the article: > **[How the CPJ Redefines International Law to Designate Terrorists as Journalists...](https://honestreporting.com/how-the-cpj-redefines-international-law-to-designate-terrorists-as-journalists/)** > > In summing up the past year, the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) has asserted that 2024 was the deadliest year for journalists in the Note what “extremely well documented” means here. The article provides zero evidence that Hamza Murtaja or Mustafa Thuraya were in Hamas at all. The evidence that Hamza Al Dahdouh is a Hamas terrorist is a link to a tweet by Eitan Fischberger (who self-claims to be an “OSINT Investigator”) of a screenshot. Babale wants you to believe an advocacy website for one of the parties in this war over the Committee to Protect Journalists. Babale is literally sharing propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2684 "2026-04-27T00:56:44Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So, Hamas is putting the 10/7 rapists on trial when? I’m sure that right after the parties and parades celebrating Shani Louk’s broken and nearly naked body they decided that actually it wasn’t ok and punished those responsible. Wait, did I say “punish those responsible”? I meant “pay them out of the Martyr Fund, thanks for the donations NGOs!”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2685 "2026-04-27T00:57:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Or do you think Israel should be copying Hamas? Right now, that’s what they’re doing… failing to prosecute rapists. Just like Hamas. If Hamas refuses to abide by the laws of war then they are not entitled to its protections either. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2686 "2026-04-27T00:58:16Z")
I’m so glad you’re so openly praising the IDF’s similarity to Hamas! No prosecuting gang rape for either one. The IDF and Hamas are two peas in a rape-excusing pod! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2687 "2026-04-27T00:59:09Z")
Thank you for being so clear! Gang rape and atrocities are just fine with @Smapti! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2688 "2026-04-27T01:01:44Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > They aren’t a neutral source. They are literally an advocacy site for one of the parties in this conflict. And fucking _Al Jazeera_ is? Hahahahahhahahahahahahaha. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Here is a direct link to the article: Because Banquet Buddy is a slimy piece of shit, he pretends that I was being sly about the article when I in fact linked it above, the first time I cited it. Because even though they’re (((Israeli))), there’s nothing wrong with Honest Reporting. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Babale wants you to believe an advocacy website for one of the parties in this war over the Committee to Protect Journalists. Babale is literally sharing propaganda. That’s _rich_, coming from _you_. We both know that the CPJ is not a neutral source either; they are a much better fit for the description > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > A literal cesspool of lies and propaganda. But I like how the only evidence you think you need to give that they are _a literal cesspool of lies and propaganda_ is a Wikipedia quote outing them as… Gasp… (((Israeli!))) It’s truly revealing about the way you think. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2689 "2026-04-27T01:03:49Z")
> [@I pit over-the-top Anti-Trump hysteria](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-over-the-top-anti-trump-hysteria/1021735/1933): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > Or do you think Israel should be copying Hamas? Right now, that’s what they’re doing… failing to prosecute rapists. Just like Hamas. > > If Hamas refuses to abide by the laws of war then they are not entitled to its protections either. This is the perfect Trumpian justification for atrocities. It means Israel can do anything they want as long as they call the victim Hamas. They can rape, and it’s okay, as long as they claim the victim is Hamas. They can slaughter, just be sure to say afterwards all the dead were Hamas members. Just like Trump and Hegseth and Stephen Miller. Those weren’t fishermen, they’re drug terrorists! That wasn’t a protester, he was trying to kill the ICE agent! That makes it okay to kill them all. @Smapti, you truly are becoming the perfect tool of fascists. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2690 "2026-04-27T01:03:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Israel may say that Hamas said this, but that doesn’t make it true. I know who we can ask if Anas al-Sharif was Hamas. [![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQH0S_mbCX3W0b8WaqhjT4JAzubJBNvA-ZBQQ&s) ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQH0S_mbCX3W0b8WaqhjT4JAzubJBNvA-ZBQQ&s) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2691 "2026-04-27T01:05:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is the perfect Trumpian justification for atrocities. No, it’s literally how the laws of war work. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2692 "2026-04-27T01:05:34Z")
Ooh, a pixelated image with no source that shows no evidence of actual Hamas membership! Got an AI Lego terrorist to go along with it? I’m convinced! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2693 "2026-04-27T01:05:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I know who we can ask if Anas al-Sharif was Hamas. It’s also a blatant lie (so par for the course from the Pro Hamas side) that there’s no evidence tying him to Hamas. He was in Hamas’ own documents. Of course, Hamas didn’t publish those documents, Israel did; so if the fact that Jew hands touched the documents, that might be enough for you to reject them. But if you’re not blinded by obvious antisemitic nonsense, it should be trivial to admit that the fact that he was documented by Hamas to be the head of a Hamas cell is in fact pretty good evidence for him being a Hamas member. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2694 "2026-04-27T01:06:09Z")
The laws of war state that raping prisoners is okay if you claim they’re members of Hamas? Please cite. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2695 "2026-04-27T01:06:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Ooh, a pixelated image with no source that shows no evidence of actual Hamas membership! You’re willing to convict people of rape on shakier evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2696 "2026-04-27T01:07:12Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You’re willing to convict people of rape on shakier evidence Only if they’re members of the (((Zionist Entity))). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2697 "2026-04-27T01:07:23Z")
Convict? Let’s start with prosecuting. How about that? Just due process. But what do you care? You’re already on record as a-okay with rape. As is Babs. The rape buddies, here! Just like the IDF and Hamas. Partners in rape, partners in excusing it! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2698 "2026-04-27T01:08:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Convict? Let’s start with prosecuting. How about that? Just due process. Why bother? You’ve already decided they’re guilty. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2699 "2026-04-27T01:10:00Z")
Someone raped him, according to the medical evidence. Seems to me that warrants investigation and prosecution. But that’s just for those of us who think rape should be prosecuted. I get that your mileage varies on the rape issue. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/2700 "2026-04-27T01:10:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Someone raped him, according to the medical evidence. Probably just baseless propaganda. Can’t trust anything the Israeli government says, you know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=134) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=136)