# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/321 "2024-04-01T18:46:23Z")
**Israel continues to breathe the fresh air of freedom and democracy, befitting its status as the Middle East’s shining bastion of liberal humanism** From the Guardian: > The Israeli parliament approved a law that grants senior ministers powers to shut down foreign news networks deemed a security risk, after its prime minister, **Benjamin Netanyahu** , has pledged swift action to halt **Al Jazeera** ’s activities in the nation. > > “Al Jazeera will no longer be broadcast from Israel,” Netanyahu wrote in a post on X after the law was approved in its final readings on Monday. > > I intend to act immediately in accordance with the new law to stop the channel’s activity. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/322 "2024-04-03T02:43:37Z")
> **[Israeli strike kills 7 aid workers in Gaza, World Central Kitchen halts...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/world-central-kitchen-says-israeli-strike-kills-7-workers-halts-aid-rcna145976)** > > As the incident drew global outrage, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Tuesday his country’s forces had “unintentionally hit innocent people” in the Gaza Strip. So Israel “accidentally” blew up more aid workers. Including U.S. citizens. World Central Kitchen was trying to feed the starving in the middle of a man made famine. This is shameful, disgusting, on and on. This is genocide intentional, purposeful, undemocratic, inhumane genocide. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/323 "2024-04-03T04:01:36Z")
Yeah, when Netanyahu says “unintentionally” I don’t know what he is even trying to say. The IDF clearly hit exactly what they were aiming at, using precision munitions. But apparently somebody saw a guy with a gun! Oh no, better blast the whole convoy off the face of the planet so that Israel doesn’t lose the war! I guess the Rules of Engagement in Gaza are “anyone who moves is Hamas… anyone who stands still is well-disciplined Hamas”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/324 "2024-04-03T11:50:01Z")
Alright. I give. If this is what it looks like, then Israel has gone too far. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/325 "2024-04-03T20:11:24Z")
When it was deliberately sniping Palestinian grannies and 5 year-olds, that was “just what happens in war” Foreign aid workers, and suddenly it’s “too far”. What’s the difference, I wonder…? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/326 "2024-04-03T20:20:58Z")
Well, the people the IDF targeted weren’t, you know…those people. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/327 "2024-04-03T21:30:30Z")
Those people? Right… you mean the dead people. Well, they certainly fixed that. And they weren’t prejudiced at all… they killed everything that moved. Men, women, children, pregnant women, Press reporters, aid workers, people holding white flags, everyone of every race, creed or nationality. And the auctions of beach front Gaza land in the temples of Teaneck and Toronto available to Jews only…for development into condos? That was just coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/328 "2024-04-04T09:53:16Z")
Right. So acknowledging that Netenyahu has gone too far isn’t good enough, then? Not ideologically pure enough for the Israel-Is-The-Great-Satan crowd? In that case, fuck 'em all. The Lord will know his own. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/329 "2024-04-04T10:11:23Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Right. So acknowledging that Netenyahu has gone too far isn’t good enough, then? Not really, no. Especially when you post it in the Pit thread rather than the MPSIMS one, for _some_ reason. > [@Smapti](#): > > Not ideologically pure enough for the Israel-Is-The-Great-Satan crowd? Ideological purity isn’t the issue. Two-faced hypocrisy is. > [@Smapti](#): > > In that case, fuck 'em all. The Lord will know his own. _There_ he is. Knew you wouldn’t leave a boot unlicked for all that long, asshole. Maybe if you posted an actual apology for your war-mongering bullshit, rather than just a “killing photogenic foreigners is the bridge too far” drive-by? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/330 "2024-04-04T10:18:16Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Especially when you post it in the Pit thread rather than the MPSIMS one, for _some_ reason. “Some reason” equaling “responding in a thread to a comment posted in that thread”. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Maybe if you posted an actual apology for your war-mongering bullshit, rather than just a “killing photogenic foreigners is the bridge too far” drive-by? Right. It doesn’t matter who dies as long as you can find a reason to villify the Jews for it. I tried to find some common ground with your lot, but apparently nothing short of demanding that the Jews link hands and march into the Mediterranean is sufficient to satisfy you. So I’m done trying. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/331 "2024-04-04T10:25:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “Some reason” equaling “responding in a thread to a comment posted in that thread”. Post on it in the MPSIMS thread, where you also participated, predate one on this thread. But you didn’t comment there for some reason. > [@Smapti](#): > > Right. It doesn’t matter who dies as long as you can find a reason to villify the Jews for it. When “Antisemite” is the only hammer you have… > [@Smapti](#): > > I tried to find some common ground with your lot, Like fuck, you did. > [@Smapti](#): > > apparently nothing short of demanding that the Jews link hands and march into the Mediterranean is sufficient to satisfy you. My, what a giant man of straw you’ve constructed out of our “please, stop genociding”. > [@Smapti](#): > > So I’m done trying. All of one post - very trying indeed. Fuck off, if you were sincere, it would have taken more than this to make you backslide, performative wanker. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/332 "2024-04-04T10:36:11Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > All of one post - very trying indeed. I tried to find common ground with those of you who think Israel has crossed a line. Y’all’s response was “fuck you you racist, not good enough”. Why should I try harder to meet the expectations of people who’ve already made it clear that they’re not looking for a middle ground? I’ve stated what I consider to be the line, but your lot have made it clear that that’s not good enough. So I’m done trying to negotiate this. Nothing Israel does will ever satisfy you, so I’m not going to bother criticizing them any more. May they erase the memory of Amalek. > [@MrDibble](#): > > My, what a giant man of straw you’ve constructed out of our “please, stop genociding”. Yes. Please stop genociding. _Please stop the attempted genocide of the Jewish people by Hamas._ ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/333 "2024-04-04T10:38:26Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Nothing Israel does will ever satisfy you Well, laying down and letting Hamas slaughter them one by one might just be acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/334 "2024-04-04T11:30:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I tried to find common ground with those of you who think Israel has crossed a line. > [@Smapti](#): > > May they erase the memory of Amalek. And you were so _sincere_ in your reaching out, too… 🙄 You’ve moved from bootlicker to nakedly advocating genocide, which is very on-brand for you. > [@Smapti](#): > > Please stop the attempted genocide of the Jewish people by Hamas. “But, Hamas!” the génocidaire wailed. > [@colinfred](#): > > laying down and letting Hamas slaughter them one by one might just be acceptable. Naah, Smapti is the one who calls for genocide. Me, I’ll be happy if Israel actually stopped the slaughter and stealing the land. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/335 "2024-04-04T12:04:37Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So you say, and yet I’ve read, in this thread and others, that Israel is fascist, genocidcal, apartheid, criminal, theocratic, deliberately targets civilians, snipes 5-year-olds, faked atroticites against its own people, killed its own citizens to instigate this war, is not a democracy, ignores the will of its people, and is comparable to Nazi Germany. > > If I believed all of that, and I [i]didn’t(/i] want Israel destroyed, I’d be psychotic. No, you wouldn’t. If you want to “destroy” a nation, you are genocidal _by definition_. This includes nations that you really, _really_ don’t like. I think this goes to the heart of the matter with your opinion regarding Palestine. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/336 "2024-04-04T12:20:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Me, I’ll be happy if Israel actually stopped the slaughter and stealing the land. If Hamas stop fighting so will Israel,. If Israel stop fighting they will cease to exist. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/337 "2024-04-04T12:22:07Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Israel is fascist, genocidcal, apartheid, criminal, theocratic, deliberately targets civilians, snipes 5-year-olds, faked atroticites against its own people Except for fascist I think the rest of this list has been proven in this and other threads. I’m not sure that Israel as such faked the atrocities, but some witnesses lied and the lies are still being used. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/338 "2024-04-04T12:24:42Z")
> [@colinfred](#): > > If Hamas stop fighting so will Israel Ha ha ha! So, Israel was completely pacifist before 1987, I take it. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/339 "2024-04-04T14:17:38Z")
If Smapti could provide a reason why sniping babies isn’t bad, but bombing foreign aid workers is too far, I’m all ears. > [@Smapti](#): > > Right. It doesn’t matter who dies as long as you can find a reason to villify the Jews for it. Well, there it is again - “criticizing Israel’s actions means you want to kill all the Jews”. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/340 "2024-04-04T14:28:51Z")
This latest attack by Israeli forces was illuminating for me because it shows the high level of incompetence in their command and control apparatus. The Israeli forces aren’t just dangerous, they’re unreliable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=18)