# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/361 "2024-04-05T05:29:25Z")
“I call everyone that disagrees with me anti-Semitic and refuse to offer any explanations, even when they’re nice, but cry that no one is nice to me.” Cry more. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/362 "2024-04-05T05:31:03Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Nothing I could say will make your lot happy anyway. “I was wrong. Israel _is_ commiting genocide. It should pull all its troops out of Gaza and stop airstrikes there, and let any and all aid in” would make me happy. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/363 "2024-04-05T05:34:25Z")
In other words, I should embrace a lie and demand that Israel should commit national suicide. No thanks. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/364 "2024-04-05T05:38:45Z")
Love how _not_ slaughtering any civilians in another country is somehow “committing national suicide”. OK, leave off the first bit. How about “Israel should withdraw from Gaza, stop airstrikes and stop blockading aid”? Can you stomach saying _that_? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/365 "2024-04-05T05:40:32Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > How about “Israel should withdraw from Gaza, stop airstrikes and stop blockading aid”? Can you stomach saying _that_? A temporary ceasefire for the purpose of establishing secure supply lines to provide food and medicine to the displaced, ideally under the supervision of a neutral peacekeeping force, would be a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/366 "2024-04-05T05:41:38Z")
Not what I said. 😒 ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/367 "2024-04-05T06:10:00Z")
I don’t have a strong opinion and haven’t followed the war very closely. Now’s your chance! Why _shouldn’t_ Israel agree to a permanent ceasefire and military withdrawal? I tried looking up Israel’s demands but for whatever reason everyone wants to tell me Hamas’s demands. And I don’t read Hebrew any more. So I’m counting on you here, **Smapti**. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/368 "2024-04-05T06:55:27Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Why _shouldn’t_ Israel agree to a permanent ceasefire and military withdrawal? A permanent ceasefire that leaves Hamas in control of Gaza just means that another 10/7 will inevitably happen (probably sooner than later), Israel will invade again, and we’ll be right back to where we are now. Any ceasefire needs to at the very least include the presence of a neutral peacekeeping force, and probably also the establishment of a DMZ along the Israel-Gaza border. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/369 "2024-04-05T06:58:15Z")
So what is the endgame here, I can’t imagine any peacekeeping force volunteering to watch over Gazans indefinitely. Especially since there’s no local economy any more to feed off of. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/370 "2024-04-05T07:06:06Z")
Ideally, the de-Hamasification of Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/371 "2024-04-05T07:08:34Z")
Is that _possible_? Has a political movement like Hamas ever been neutralized? I’m reminded of the Taliban, Hezbollah, Al-Queda, the Islamic State, etc. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/372 "2024-04-05T07:09:02Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Has a political movement like Hamas ever been neutralized? You don’t hear much in Germany about the NSDAP these days. Destroying Hamas as an ideology may not be possible, but they can certainly be removed from power and suppressed. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/373 "2024-04-05T07:11:40Z")
The de-nazification of Germany is a very weird subject, from what little I’ve read. I don’t think Israel has what it takes to pull that off successfully, because if they try, the entire Arab world will retaliate. Probably Hezbollah first. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/374 "2024-04-05T07:11:59Z")
Are you sure of that? [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germanys-scholz-says-dark-neo-nazi-networks-are-rise-2024-01-26/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germanys-scholz-says-dark-neo-nazi-networks-are-rise-2024-01-26/) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/375 "2024-04-05T07:19:18Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > May they erase the memory of Amalek. > > And you were so _sincere_ in your reaching out, too… 🙄 > You’ve moved from bootlicker to nakedly advocating genocide, which is very on-brand for you. But you must admit that it’s refreshing when Smapti reveals that the antifa mask is only that. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/376 "2024-04-05T07:20:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Ideally, the de-Hamasification of Gaza. Is there a plan B, or is the feasibility of removing Hamas our only difference of opinion as to whether Israel should agree to another ‘permanent’ ceasefire? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/377 "2024-04-05T07:21:54Z")
The Plan B is presumably the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, which I do not support. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/378 "2024-04-05T07:23:40Z")
Neither do I. Well, that was a surprisingly quick debate. Thank you for taking me up on it. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/379 "2024-04-05T07:23:46Z")
I’d always assumed it was hipster irony, like when Prince Harry, of all fucking people, wore a Che Guevara t-shirt. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/380 "2024-04-05T07:24:24Z")
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