# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2024, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/401 "2024-04-06T05:43:01Z")
That wasn’t calling you a _racist_. Despite what @Miller said, the foreign aid workers _weren’t_ all White. But they weren’t _Palestinians_. Who, you’ve made it abundantly clear, you consider lesser human beings. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/402 "2024-04-07T23:38:11Z")
The reason it was the last straw for me is that it was a very obvious and well documented move to end food distribution to starving people. The Israelis apparently didn’t care they were killing innocents they seem to never care about that. It’s all about moving their agenda forward and trying to rationalize it as they go. It appears to me that they are clearing out Gaza and the West Bank in whatever ways they can i.e. sniping/bombing, evacuating, starving, the Palestinians. All the shit they’ve pulled, no news crews, moving thousands of people from one side of the country to the other, “It’s safe here, not here” , then bombing the crap out of them anyway. Then add killing aid workers, refusing to let supplies in, systematically destroying every hospital, murdering civilians particularly babies and children and shrugging it off as, “collateral damage.” I don’t know how anyone can continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. They’re genocidal war criminals. The whole of the government and the upper military should be tried for war crimes. But they are a, “Democracy,” and traditional US allies, so they are getting away with it. It’s so disgusting, immoral, and tragic. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/403 "2024-04-08T07:22:23Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > I don’t know how anyone can continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. Because the Holocaust and “Never again for _us_, we mean. We’re totally cool _doing_ it, though!” or some shit like that. Oh, and “But, Hamas!” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/404 "2024-04-08T17:34:18Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Prince Harry, of all fucking people, wore a Che Guevara t-shirt. He also wore a Nazi uniform to a costume party, so he was clearly a bit clueless back in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/405 "2024-04-08T19:27:54Z")
A true centrist! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/406 "2024-04-21T21:32:42Z")
> **[Israeli strikes on southern Gaza city of Rafah kill 22, mostly children, as...](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-21-2024-8c027f2587c2c433d0fde41b63a0e0c3)** > > The latest strikes came as the United States was on track to approve billions of dollars of additional military aid to its close ally. Fucking way to go, Israel. How’s that Eliminate Hamas mission going? “The first Israeli strike in Rafah killed a man, his wife and their 3-year-old child, according to the nearby Kuwaiti Hospital, which received the bodies. The woman was pregnant and the doctors saved the baby, the hospital said. The second strike killed 17 children and two women from an extended family.” Who’s running your war, Donald Rumsfeld and George W.? ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/407 "2024-04-22T04:51:51Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The first Israeli strike in Rafah killed a man, his wife and their 3-year-old child, according to the nearby Kuwaiti Hospital, which received the bodies. The woman was pregnant and the doctors saved the baby, the hospital said. I just hope they get that kid out of the hospital before Israeli forces bomb it. 😐 ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/408 "2024-04-22T14:09:11Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Fucking way to go, Israel. How’s that Eliminate Hamas mission going? Hamas runs out of people if you don’t convince more people to side with Hamas. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/409 "2024-04-22T16:12:16Z")
Or just cut off the supply of people entirely. In a manner of speaking. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/410 "2024-04-23T05:11:45Z")
> [@Bad Moderation in "Hamas Attacks Israel" MPSIMS thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-moderation-in-hamas-attacks-israel-mpsims-thread/1000412/55): > > and even those who do don’t deserve to be subjected to blood libel by Nazi-cuddling scumfucks like Crane. Pointing out that the state of Israel is engaged in the mass killing of civilians is not blood libel, it’s a statement of fact. So you can fuck right off too, buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/411 "2024-04-23T06:42:26Z")
Fuck you. Crane’s comments went way beyond “Pointing out that the state of Israel is engaged in the mass killing of civilians”. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/412 "2024-04-23T06:56:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He also wore a Nazi uniform to a costume party, so he was clearly a bit clueless back in the day. I’m reminded of a cartoon in Newsweek or some other magazine at the time. It showed a woman about to kiss a frog while another woman asked: “But how can you be sure he’s a prince?” The frog was wearing a swastika armband. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/413 "2024-04-23T16:58:54Z")
To change the topic a bit. Israeli military intelligence head resigns over Oct. 7 Hamas attack > **[Israeli military intelligence head resigns over Oct. 7 Hamas attack](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/22/israel-intelligence-haliva-hamas-failure/)** > > Maj. Gen. Aharon Haliva is the first general to leave his position in Israel’s military over the failures leading up to the Oct. 7 Hamas attack. So, one guy has resigned, months after the attack. I have questions: Why now? Why this guy? (Why not lots of other people) What, is anything, does this mean for the war, going forward? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/414 "2024-04-23T18:21:09Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > So, one guy has resigned, months after the attack. I have questions: > Why now? > Why this guy? > (Why not lots of other people) > What, is anything, does this mean for the war, going forward? Is there a reason why you put these questions here in the pit rather than a more discussion focused thread? He (and a number of other officials) who have more of a spine than Netanyahu took responsibility for the disaster of Oct 7 almost immediately; presumably, some of the others will resign in the coming weeks and months as well. (Any prime minister worth their salt would have resigned as well, or at least announced their plans to). According to a source close to him it’s also in part a political move, with him trying to avoid a situation where Netanyahu’s supporters can pin the failure of Oct 7 on him. No English source, sorry: > **[מבריק ויהיר: הכירו את אהרון חליוה, האלוף השנוי במחלוקת שפרש היום](https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001463968)** > >   The source explains he immediately knew he would need to take responsibility and resign, and said as much in piblic statements, but wanted to do it in a controlled way. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/415 "2024-04-23T20:23:04Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Is there a reason why you put these questions here in the pit rather than a more discussion focused thread? Well, i prefer discussion in a place i don’t moderate. And i like the freedom of pit discussions. I’m not planning on calling anyone names. (I don’t believe I’ve done so to date, and my plan is to stick to that.) But I dunno, pit discussions are often more complete than the narrow discussions that some other fora foster. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/416 "2024-04-23T20:23:28Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He (and a number of other officials) who have more of a spine than Netanyahu took responsibility for the disaster of Oct 7 almost immediately; presumably, some of the others will resign in the coming weeks and months as well. (Any prime minister worth their salt would have resigned as well, or at least announced their plans to). > > According to a source close to him it’s also in part a political move, with him trying to avoid a situation where Netanyahu’s supporters can pin the failure of Oct 7 on him. No English source, sorry: Thanks! That’s helpful. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2024, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/417 "2024-05-11T20:10:13Z")
> Because of the total incompetence of Israeli leadership and the IDF, Hamas continues to trickle back into parts of Gaza that were already “cleared”. In some cases they’re fighting Hamas in the same area for a third time. This Israeli government, and this IDF, are completely failing in their stated mission, much less actually helping the long term security of Israel. And they’re killing thousands of civilians in the process. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/418 "2024-05-17T12:01:31Z")
[https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1790804781130272831](https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1790804781130272831) > A Palestinian truck driver was attacked by Israeli settlers near a West Bank outpost when they mistakenly assumed he was carrying aid to Gaza. The mob sacked & pillaged the cargo. The driver was taken to hospital Israeli settlers brutalize a Palestinian truck driver for no reason. This can’t be separated from the current war – while Israel is demolishing Gaza with military force, West Bank settlers are brutalizing Palestinians with little or no consequences. Israel is sabotaging its own security on multiple fronts (as well as causing or allowing immense suffering for no reason). ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/419 "2024-05-17T12:30:06Z")
I didn’t understand how the settlers can get away with what they do. If i went to the Navajo Nation and started building myself a house, i would be thrown out, and suffer other consequences. If i went to Mexico, and appropriated some land and started building, I’d be thrown out, and probably suffer other consequences. If i used weapons to defend “my” homestead, I’d end up in prison, or dead. How do the settlers get away with it? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/420 "2024-05-17T12:46:19Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > If i went to the Navajo Nation and started building myself a house, i would be thrown out, and suffer other consequences. If i went to Mexico, and appropriated some land and started building, I’d be thrown out, and probably suffer other consequences. If i used weapons to defend “my” homestead, I’d end up in prison, or dead. > > How do the settlers get away with it? If the Navajo or Mexico spent the last 50 years lobbing rockets at US cities, kidnapping and murdering US citizens, and otherwise terrorizing the US because they declared that America should not exist - do you think the US government would make it a very high priority to clear you out for trespassing? That’s how the settlers “get away with it” - there’s no political will to go and deal with them because no one wants to do such a massive favor for a group that’s perceived as so hostile. Now, I happen to be in the camp that says we should clear them out _for us_, not for _the Palestinians_. But I’m sure you can see how that’d be a tough sell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=22)