# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/621 "2024-05-28T07:40:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You’re bad at this. …the birth rate now you stupid piece of shit. Just because the fact book says “2024” that doesn’t make it accurate. Now apply your formula to the Bosnian Genocide. Not that it matters, because this isn’t how we determine what is and isn’t a genocide anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/622 "2024-05-28T07:47:08Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …the birth rate now you stupid piece of shit. Just because the fact book says “2024” that doesn’t make it accurate. I don’t see you offering a source that disagrees. But then you’ve never been much for accepting sources that don’t align with your predecided truth. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/623 "2024-05-28T07:54:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I don’t see you offering a source that disagrees. …I don’t need to provide a source. Birth rates are not used to calculate whether or not something is a genocide. > [@Smapti](#): > > But then you’ve never been much for accepting sources that don’t align with your predecided truth. Just so you understand the methodology: > [@factbook](#): > > This entry gives the average annual number of births during a year per 1,000 persons in the population at midyear; also known as crude birth rate. [https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/birth-rate](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/birth-rate) That’s YOUR cite. It isn’t an accurate measure of the birth rate, its a _ratio_. An average. We don’t realistically know how the war has affected birth rates, and we probably won’t know for years. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/624 "2024-05-28T07:56:25Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I don’t need to provide a source. Birth rates are not used to calculate whether or not something is a genocide. I’ve demonstrated that it is mathematically impossible for the Gazans to be eradicated, or even reduced in population at all, under the current circumstances. No eradication = no genocide. And given that your definition of “genocide” means that there was no such thing until 1949, I’m not interested in debating it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/625 "2024-05-28T08:03:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So your lot have been telling us for months now. Sorry starvation isn’t as quick a tool as a bullet in the head. Well, at least your guys are trying both… > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Wouldn’t be surprised if you supported Malema on the QT Wouldn’t be surprised if your mom services sailors at the docks while your dad is distracted by your sister, either… > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Where’s the proof? The proof has been posted multiple times. BB just posted it again recently. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > So Hamas rapes and murders of Israelis are now reduced to hyperbole When it’s “through the Israeli population” it fucking is. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > It’s pretty obvious where your biases are If you think my biases are with the ANC, you clearly don’t know thing one about my politics. Like I said, would be amusing if not so pathetic. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Yeah you ignoring it Yet you keep repeating it. Like I said, insane. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/626 "2024-05-28T08:04:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Sorry starvation isn’t as quick a tool as a bullet in the head. People usually don’t take eight months to starve to death. When is this starvation supposed to start? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/627 "2024-05-28T08:11:03Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > People usually don’t take eight months to starve to death. Says who? When you get _some_ food but not enough, it can take months. Ask Guillermo Fariñas how long it can take. > [@Smapti](#): > > When is this starvation supposed to start? Let’s ask the UN… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/628 "2024-05-28T08:13:25Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > People usually don’t take eight months to starve to death. When is this starvation supposed to start? The Ethiopian famine lasted for two years. The Irish famine lasted for seven. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/629 "2024-05-28T08:13:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Says who? When you get _some_ food but not enough, it can take months. Well, Banquet\_Bear says there hasn’t been any food for months and there isn’t any food getting in. Maybe you should take it up with him. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/630 "2024-05-28T08:15:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Banquet\_Bear says there hasn’t been any food for months and there isn’t any food getting in. BB has also said exactly where some Palestinians have been getting the scant calories they do get. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/631 "2024-05-28T08:16:32Z")
He says they’re eating grass, which humans cannot digest and thus contains zero useful calories. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/632 "2024-05-28T08:17:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The Ethiopian famine lasted for two years. The one in the 80s. The [_current_ one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_northern_Ethiopia_(2020%E2%80%93present)) is 4 years and counting… ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/633 "2024-05-28T08:19:44Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’ve demonstrated that it is mathematically impossible for the Gazans to be eradicated …this isn’t what genocide means. Because if it is, then explain the Bosnian Genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/634 "2024-05-28T08:21:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Well, Banquet\_Bear says there hasn’t been any food for months and there isn’t any food getting in …why do you lie about everything I said? Food has been getting in. But not in the numbers to prevent famine. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/635 "2024-05-28T08:21:47Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …this isn’t what genocide means. gen·o·cide. noun. the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. Deliberate killing? No. Large number? No. People from a particular nation or ethnic group? I’ll give you that. Aim of destroying that nation or group? No. 1/4. Still not genocide. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/636 "2024-05-28T08:23:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > He says they’re eating grass, which humans cannot digest and thus contains zero useful calories. Humans can’t digest _cellulose_, but there are still _some_ calories in grass. Like wheatgrass, for instance. _Definitely_ not enough to live off, but look at you, trying to science your way out of atrocity. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/637 "2024-05-28T08:27:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Deliberate killing? No. …deliberate killing, yes. > [@Smapti](#): > > Large number? No. Bosnian Genocide: 8000 dead. Is that a large number or not? Was that a genocide? Yes or no would suffice. > [@Smapti](#): > > People from a particular nation or ethnic group? I’ll give you that. Indeed. > [@Smapti](#): > > Aim of destroying that nation or group? No. I’ll refer you again to “Expressions of Genocidal Intent against the Palestinian People by Israeli State Officials and Others”, SA submission to the ICC, page 59. And for evidence of the other things, I’ll refer you to the same document. All of the elements explained in detail. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/638 "2024-05-28T08:29:20Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …why do you lie about everything I said? November 13th; > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/1497): > > And we aren’t just talking about Al-Shifa. 21 hospitals in Gaza are out of service. No fuel. No food. No water. No medicine. November 14th; > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/1642): > > An estimated 12,000 people have died in Gaza. An estimated 5000 children. It is still under siege. No food, no water, no fuel. December 13th; > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2455): > > What few supplies that were making its way through the blockade were shut down. No food. No water. No medical supplies. No fuel. December 24th; > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2869): > > …and at the moment, according to UN spokespeople, just under a million people have been forced into Rafah that is now overcrowded, no food, no water, no shelter, not enough medical care. January 7th; > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3228): > > Hospital management said health workers had no food. February 6th; > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3376): > > Israel declaring that they “won’t let any food in until the hostages are released” is a _war crime_. February 22nd; > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3714): > > So no food will be getting through to the north any time soon February 24th; > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3735): > > In the north of Gaza they are experiencing famine. Many children have already died from starvation. Some are boiling grass and leaves to eat, having used up the supply of animal feed. > > No food can get to the north of Gaza. Fields have been razed. This is a death sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/639 "2024-05-28T08:31:57Z")
“Expressions of Genocidal Intent against the Palestinian People by Israeli State Officials and Others”, SA submission to the ICC, page 59 can grab a stepladder and jump up my butt. The ICC is an illegitimate organization and its judgments aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/640 "2024-05-28T08:32:23Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Deliberate killing? No. The bombs just accidentally fell on the tent city. The headshots just accidentally took out the granny. The white phosphorous just accidentally rained down on the refugee camp. Like fuck. > [@Smapti](#): > > Large number? No. “He killed 36,000 and did not think it too many” > [@Smapti](#): > > Aim of destroying that nation or group? No. Bibi: “Remember what Amalek did to you!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=33)