# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/641 "2024-05-28T08:33:14Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The bombs just accidentally fell on the tent city. The headshots just accidentally took out the granny. The white phosphorous just accidentally rained down on the refugee camp. For once you’ve said something truthful in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/642 "2024-05-28T08:35:52Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Was that a genocide? Yes or no would suffice. Serbia didn’t accede to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide until 2001, so there’s no way for us to possibly know. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/643 "2024-05-28T08:39:21Z")
It figures your sarcasm filter is as broken as the rest of you. Man, I’d worry if I had fascist idols that were as accident-prone as the IOF. Must be all that spit on their boots, make them slip and “accidentally” hit those launch buttons and triggers. Again. And again. And again. Might make me reconsider their “heroism”. Again. Give it a try. I’m sure you can find another Big Strong Boss before the week is out. I believe in you! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/644 "2024-05-28T08:40:21Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Serbia didn’t accede to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide until 2001, so there’s no way for us to possibly know. Smapti: the Shoah - not a _real_ genocide! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/645 "2024-05-28T08:41:38Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Smapti: the Shoah - not a _real_ genocide! Banquet\_Bear’s standard, not mine, as seen when I asked him whether America committed genocide against Germany in WWII. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/646 "2024-05-28T08:43:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Banquet\_Bear’s standard, not mine I’m pretty sure BB would say the Shoah _was_ a real genocide. You’re the only Holocaust denialist in this convo, not him. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/647 "2024-05-28T08:47:58Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > November 14th; …yes, 21 hospitals _were_ out of service then. They were under siege,the IDf weren’t letting food, water or medicines in. I was talking about the _hospitals_. What do you think I was talking about? > [@Smapti](#): > > December 24th; Again, talking about _the hospitals_. The hospitals that were _under siege at the time_. You can go back and read the thread if you want context. > [@Smapti](#): > > February 6th; Hospitals. That were under siege. > [@Smapti](#): > > February 22nd; I’m literally quoting Israeli officials. > [@Smapti](#): > > February 24th; To the north? That was _accurate_. Do you remember what happened in February? All truck convoys were suspended for _weeks_. No food was getting up there at all. Again, everything I said, in the context of the larger discussion, was accurate, and I stand by everything. I was either talking about specific actions, like the sieges of the hospitals, or the suspension by firstly the IDF, then by the agencies because it was too dangerous for convoys to travel to the north. Just because you aren’t paying attention doesn’t give you permission to lie about the things that I’ve said. > [@Smapti](#): > > “Expressions of Genocidal Intent against the Palestinian People by Israeli State Officials and Others”, SA submission to the ICC, page 59 can grab a stepladder and jump up my butt. The ICC is an illegitimate organization and its judgments aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. And this says it all. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/648 "2024-05-28T08:48:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You’re the only Holocaust denialist in this convo, not him. Being accused of Holocaust denial by a stooge for Iran? That’s a new one. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/649 "2024-05-28T08:52:03Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Serbia didn’t accede to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide until 2001, so there’s no way for us to possibly know. …of course there is. Birth rates, death rates. You’ve got a formula. What does that tell us? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/650 "2024-05-28T08:52:33Z")
“Stooge for Iran?” Wait, call me a commie next! Or wait, I know, how about Tankie! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/651 "2024-05-28T08:57:51Z")
Well, if you want me to answer by my standards, yes, it was unambigously a genocide. The people of Srebenica were sorted by ethnicity and those of the targeted ethnicity were systematically executed to the last individual. You will note that absolutely no such thing has occurred in any population center in Gaza. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Wait, call me a commie next! Or wait, I know, how about Tankie! I wouldn’t care if you were a Commie. I’m a socialist. You are abetting the Russo-Iranian plan for Mideast hegemony, though, so if you’re not a tanky, you’re at best a useful idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/652 "2024-05-28T09:00:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Well, if you want me to answer by my standards, yes, it was unambigously a genocide. …but it was only 8000 people. A _rounding error_ according to you. How about birth rates? Death rates? Don’t these things now matter? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/653 "2024-05-28T09:03:25Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …but it was only 8000 people. 8000 people out of a population of 27,000. That’s over 25%. That’s a lot more than a rounding error. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/654 "2024-05-28T09:08:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m a socialist. Like fuck, you are. Socialists don’t lick fascist cop butthole like you loved to do. They _certainly_ don’t make “slaves, listen to your masters” arguments like you have. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/655 "2024-05-28T09:12:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > 8000 people out of a population of 27,000. Wait, why are you only counting the population of Srebenica and not all of Bosnia, when you count all Palestinians for comparison? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/656 "2024-05-28T09:15:25Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Wait, why are you only counting the population of Srebenica and not all of Bosnia Because Banquet\_Bear specified that we were specifically discussing Srebenica when you said 8,000 casualties. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/657 "2024-05-28T09:16:07Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Because you specified that we were specifically discussing Srebenica when you said 8,000 casualties. No, I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/658 "2024-05-28T09:17:06Z")
Corrected myself in the edit. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/659 "2024-05-28T09:17:26Z")
Not where it counts. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/660 "2024-05-28T09:25:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Because Banquet\_Bear specified that we were specifically discussing Srebenica when you said 8,000 casualties. …I mean, if you want to centre it on Srebenica, thats fine. Lets keep moving those goalposts, if you insist. Not that it matters, because you still don’t understand the genocide statutes. So what about the birth and death rates? Do they apply here or not? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=34)