# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/801 "2024-05-31T02:35:18Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > When you are sued, when is “the chance” to defend yourself from any allegations? > > Hint: the _entire fucking purpose_ of a court is to run these. …run these what? Your spoiler doesn’t make any sense. Israel presented their defence on the second day of hearing. > **[Israel denies genocide accusations at top UN court, says war in Gaza is...](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/12/middleeast/icj-israel-gaza-hamas-genocide-hearing-hague-day-two-intl/index.html)** > > Israel on Friday rejected what it called the “grossly distorted” accusation of genocide leveled against it by South Africa, telling the United Nations’ top court the case was an attempt to “pervert the meaning” of the term. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/802 "2024-05-31T03:36:21Z")
Very nice post, which matches my feeling on this matter almost perfectly, but expressed much more eloquently than I could have, since on this subject I have a tendency to let my emotions get the better of me. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/803 "2024-05-31T04:19:06Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > In their defense - they are quoting from an article that _also_ dropped that _very relevant_ bit of context. From Bloomberg News, as a matter of fact: a mainstream news organization not known for anti-Israel sentiment, AFAICT. I’m not sure that one error in that one quote is sufficient to make the “blood libel” case. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/804 "2024-05-31T04:40:20Z")
Yeah, “blood libel” is a totally inappropriate description, imho, and i do a double take every time i see it. It’s only libel if it’s false, and that term has been applied to too much that is sadly very true. And to things that aren’t very closely related to what “blood libel” traditionally meant. If you want to tell me that a particular accusation is false or lacks context, do that. Don’t throw “blood libel” around. > [@Babale](#): > > Here is the thing. I do not think that there is a better way - defined as a way that will produce less civilian casualties - to actually engage Hamas. Sure there is. It’s called negotiating. You usually do it at a table, with shared food and without guns. That’s how the Irish terrorism was ended. Yes, that means that people who think the other side are bloodthirsty murderers have to talk to each other. Yes, that means that a lot of murders go unavenged. But that’s the way to actually move forward. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/805 "2024-05-31T05:55:29Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Yeah, “blood libel” is a totally inappropriate description, imho, and i do a double take every time i see it. It’s only libel if it’s false, and that term has been applied to too much that is sadly very true. And to things that aren’t very closely related to what “blood libel” traditionally meant. > > If you want to tell me that a particular accusation is false or lacks context, do that. Don’t throw “blood libel” around. I agree that it doesn’t work to counter one misleading exaggerated accusation with another misleading exaggerated accusation. If you’ve got a cite that shows that this or that Israeli military leader was talking about eliminating Hamas specifically when Bloomberg quoted them as talking about eliminating Gaza, then definitely that needs to be pointed out. But if you foam at the mouth about the entire report in which that quote appears just being a baseless antisemitic smear and “blood libel” because of (one? several?) such inaccuracies, that makes you look like the unreliable source. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Sure there is. It’s called negotiating. You usually do it at a table, with shared food and without guns. It continues to mystify me how the Israeli government passed up such a huge and guaranteed victory in the war of public opinion, in favor of the mythical goal of “eliminating Hamas”. If Israel had gone hard for a ceasefire and hostage return after maybe a few weeks of bombing, with several thousand Gazan casualties—enough to maintain the deterrence factor of disproportionate reprisals, looking at it from a ruthless realpolitik viewpoint—then they would have remained indisputably the sympathetic party, in the eyes of most of the world. The October 7 victims of Hamas would have been the primary focus of grief and compassion, and not only in Israel. Active support worldwide for Palestinian rights would have plummeted. Again from a ruthless realpolitik viewpoint, the subset of Israelis who are really invested in oppressing Palestinians and taking over more land in the Palestinian territories would have had basically a free hand for at least the next couple of decades. Unflinching internal investigations into the intelligence and security failures that permitted the Oct. 7 attacks (together with ongoing targeted assassinations of terrorist leaders as opportunities occurred) would have made Israel at least as secure as it has been for the last decade or so, with a lot more latitude to take even stricter repressive measures in the name of security. And they would have remained basically unchallenged in world popular opinion as the “good guys” in the conflict. (Can you imagine that Israel’s Eden Golen wouldn’t have won Eurovision with the tragic ballad “Hurricane” in that alternate timeline?) But in this timeline, here we are after an additional six months or so of nonstop slaughter, with 30-40000 Palestinians dead amid endless trauma, and the signature images of the catastrophe are incinerated Palestinian babies buried under acres of rubble, and mown-down aid workers. And Israel is now firmly in the role of the “bad guys” in most of world opinion. (And no, not just because of some irrational compulsion to make up baseless accusations of murder against Jews. Because of 30-40000 slaughtered Palestinians and vast swathes of destruction and devastation, in case you hadn’t noticed.) Oh, and Hamas forces are continuing to resume activity in northern Gaza and consolidate their hold on what remains of civil society. No outcome of this catastrophe is ever going to be worth what Israel is paying for it. And mind you, that’s all just from a ruthless realpolitik-type consideration of what would benefit Israel’s own interests, disregarding the plight of the Palestinians. I suppose an argument could be made that there’s a silver lining in the world’s now paying some more attention to Palestinian suffering, and Palestinian rights and justifiable claims. But IMHO, that’s nowhere near worth what the Palestinians are paying for it, either. (I pass over the obvious issue of the original Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas being counterproductive and evil, because I think we all already agree about that. I’m just thinking about your suggestions regarding what Israel could do/have done instead, given that the Oct. 7 attacks did happen.) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/806 "2024-05-31T06:00:32Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > If Israel had gone hard for a ceasefire and hostage return after maybe a few weeks of bombing, with several thousand Gazan casualties—enough to maintain the deterrence factor of disproportionate reprisals, looking at it from a ruthless realpolitik viewpoint—then they would have remained indisputably the sympathetic party, in the eyes of most of the world Bullshit. People were already shouting “iSrAeL iS dOiNg a gEnOcIdE” on October 8th. Israel can do no right in the eyes of many. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/807 "2024-05-31T06:06:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > People were already shouting “iSrAeL iS dOiNg a gEnOcIdE” on October 8th. Israel can do no right in the eyes of many. But those “many” were a tiny vocal minority in comparison to the general sympathy for Israel, including in the corridors of power. France illuminated the fucking Eiffel Tower in Israel’s colors on Oct. 9, for heaven’s sake. And those “many” would have remained a minority in the alternate scenario I outlined (although, in fairness, some of the more rational among them would still have had a point more generally about injustice in Israel’s treatment of Palestinians). But noooo, the Israeli government thought it had a better idea. [ETA: And it’s “Eden Golan”, not “Golen”, apologies to her; it’s too late to fix the typo in the previous post.] ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/808 "2024-05-31T07:57:33Z")
Whatever makes you feel better ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/809 "2024-05-31T08:53:35Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This is a mix of strawman, fabrications, outright misrepresentation and lies. The easiest one to address are the things that you claimed that I’ve done. None of them are true. I’ve never claimed that “Lots of deaths in a concentrated area equals genocide.” I’ve never tried to “to brush off the Yazidi atrocities as not a genocide.” I’ve “cared to remember” everything. I’ve never deliberately ignored real genocides that have happened in the region. You’ve just said the atrocities the Yazidis suffered wasn’t genocide but Gaza is a genocide. > You haven’t actually argued that they are wrong. You’ve just declared it. As if the word of an internet rando is supposed to mean anything. Yet we’re supposed to take your opinion as fact, just because an organisation is right about one thing doesn’t mean it’s right about all. > Is the standard that only the head of the ICJ can declare a genocide? Because what did the court have to say about the Yazidi? They condemned it as a genocide, I also explained that the UN declared it a genocide as well, hence the _citation_ > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Under the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law you can’t just blow these places up, knock them down with a bulldozer, or in the case of Al Shifa, set it on fire. It isn’t enough to just _claim_ it was being used by Hamas. A brief statement from an anonymous IDF spox isn’t a get-out-of-jail card for warcrimes. So walk me through each of these for starters. Tell me why they were targeted and destroyed. Because tunnel infrastructure was constructed beneath them and Hamas hid weapons in the compounds. [Al Shifa Tunnel Complex](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2w_wDf-DY) > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This didn’t start on October the 7th. Hamas committed atrocities that day. Yes, Gaza would be better off without them. Yes, those that did this need to be held responsible. Yes, Israel has a right to defend itself. They started the _current conflict_ on October 7th. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > But we’ve gone beyond that, and we’ve been beyond that for months now. That’s Hamas fault ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/810 "2024-05-31T08:55:39Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > That’s how the Irish terrorism was ended. That ended because both sides were willing to come to the table, Hamas has shown no willingness to compromise realistically on this so the example isn’t valid. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/811 "2024-05-31T12:29:08Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > You’ve just said the atrocities the Yazidis suffered wasn’t genocide …no. That _wasn’t_ what I said. READ MY WORDS CAREFULLY. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Yet we’re supposed to take your opinion as fact, just because an organisation is right about one thing doesn’t mean it’s right about all. No. You don’t have to give a fuck about my opinion. But you SHOULD give a fuck about the opinion about what the The Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention has to say, ESPECIALLY considering they were formed because of the very genocide you’ve been talking about. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > They condemned it as a genocide Cite please. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > I also explained that the UN declared it a genocide as well So does the ICJ have to make a judgement or not in order for something to be declared a genocide? It appears that they don’t. So you can stop appealing to them now. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Because tunnel infrastructure was constructed beneath them and Hamas hid weapons in the compounds. Nobody is disputing the existence of tunnels under Al Shifa. Those tunnels, of course, were built by Israel in the 1980s. And the tunnels you just showed me in the video were _empty_. No sign that Hamas were operating out of them. No weapons found hidden in them. And you can’t ignore the fact that soon after this video was taken, Israel _abandoned_ the hospital. They damaged the infrastructure to a great extent, making it difficult for it to resume operations as a hospital. But Palestinians are resilient. And they managed to get the hospital partially operational again. The IDF didn’t set fire to Al Shifa after the first raid. That came after the _second_. So my question to you _stands_. Why did they set Al Shifa _on fire_? That sounds like a remarkably inefficient way to deal with a tunnel network. Under the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law you can’t just set a hospital on fire. And the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship Hospital wasn’t set on fire. It was the specialist oncology hospital in Gaza, and had to be abandoned in November last year when due to the siege, it ran out of fuel. This was what it was like a year ago. > **[Turkish hospital treating cancer in Gaza](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY58jaLMXPg%2F)** > > Gaza's hospitals have suffered from the Israeli blockade for years. To ease the burden, Türkiye built a hospital in late 2018, now run by Turkish and Palesti... Its obviously a promo piece. But it doesn’t look like a hub of Hamas terrorist operations to me. And here is video of it being demolished. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ZnkOqq6bDvg/maxresdefault.jpg "Israeli soldier shares a video of himself demolishing cancer treatment hospital in Gaza") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnkOqq6bDvg) Can you explain why? What evidence did the IDF have? You can’t just bulldoze a hospital. That’s the very thing the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law were set up to prevent. Where is the Hamas infrastructure? Where is the evidence? Walk me through what happened here. Where is the evidence that Hamas had compromised this _particular hospital_, let alone the _entire civilian infrastructure_? Because a few videos of empty tunnels that we’ve all seen, that were originally built by Israel under Al Shifa that were later abandoned by the IDF for months doesn’t make a particularly strong case for the wide-spread destruction of civilian infrastructure in the rest of Gaza. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > They started the _current conflict_ on October 7th. But this didn’t start on October the 7th. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > That’s Hamas fault Israeli leadership have agency. They have _chosen_ how to conduct this “war.” This is on them. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/812 "2024-05-31T12:36:58Z")
‘Any hospital that runs, is Hamas. Any hospital that stands still, is well-disciplined Hamas!’ ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/813 "2024-05-31T13:33:49Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I’m not sure that one error in that one quote is sufficient to make the “blood libel” case. It isn’t “one error”. Almost _all_ of their quotes are like that. Like the one where they say Gallant called Palestinians “human animals” but in context he said Hamas is that, not Palestinians. Here’s another one where they straight up lie: > [@](#): > > President of Israel: On 12 October 2023, President Isaac Herzog made clear that Israel was not distinguishing between militants and civilians in Gaza, stating in a press conference to foreign media — in relation Palestinians in Gaza, over one million of whom are children: “It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware not involved. It’s absolutely not true. … and we will fight until we break their backbone.”449 The real quote reads: > [@](#): > > It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true. They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup 'd état. But we are at war, we are defending our homes, we are protecting our homes, that’s the truth and when a nation protects it’s home it fights and we will fight until we break their back bone. Once again, they simply _delete lines that don’t back their case willy nilly_ until they get the g3NoCiDaL. At the same press conference he also said this, which I think easily disproves the **clear and obvious lie** that South Africa is peddling: > [@](#): > > I agree there are many innocent Palestinians who don’t agree with this, but if you have a missile in your goddamn kitchen and you want to shoot it at me, am I allowed to defend myself. We have to defend ourselves, we have the full right to do so. Then there’s the way the repeatedly pretend that the Amalek quote shows genocidal intent. This is beyond dishonest. There are literally hundreds of years of history to show how Jews today use the term: to describe someone who wants to wipe us out. Like Hamas, which is who Netanyahu described as Amalek. And his quote was “remember what Amalek has done to you”, which is often used in discussions of the Hollocaust, or of Haman from the Purim story. Unless you think the Jews have been plotting to genocide the Persians for Purim and the Germans for the Holocaust, you should not pretend that its use here is unusual. This is not controversial, and was pointed out and cited both here and elsewhere in the media. Of course, facts were pretty much ignored in favor of sensationalism. [https://www.chabad.org/library/article\_cdo/aid/5046830/jewish/Amalek-and-the-Irrational-Antisemites-of-All-Generations.htm](https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/5046830/jewish/Amalek-and-the-Irrational-Antisemites-of-All-Generations.htm) Straight up lying isn’t their only dishonest tactic, although they use it for almost every quote from Netanyahu, Gallant, and Herzog. But then they play some other “fun” games, too. Here’s one: > [@](#): > > — Israeli Minister for National Security: On 10 November 2023, Itamar Ben-Gvir clarified the government’s position in a televised address, stating: “[t]o be clear, when we say that Hamas should be destroyed, it also means those who celebrate, those who support, and those who hand out candy — they’re all terrorists, and they should also be destroyed.”456 The quote here is real, and gross. What is dishonest is this part: _Itamar Ben-Gvir clarified the government’s position_ What? What the fuck does _that_ mean? Itamar Ben Gvir doesn’t get to decide the government’s position on these matters. He may be Minister for National Security, but he isn’t part of the war cabinet, and as he constantly moans about on Israeli media, he has been cut out of the planning. In actual fact, soon after Ben Gvir made this idiotic address, Netanyahu berated him in a meeting: > [@](#): > > Netanyahu reportedly said Israel distinguishes between civilians and terrorists: “The terrorists first of all harm the population, and after that also combat fighters, a bit. For us, it is the other way around. We want to give the population entire areas to build tents, hospitals, we will give humanitarian support — this gives us power.” Do you understand the sinister dishonesty here? Israeli policy was quite literally clarified to be _the exact opposite_ of what Ben Gvir states it should be. There’s a clear pattern of dishonesty here. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/814 "2024-05-31T13:47:57Z")
_ **1 Samuel 15** _ _1 Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD._ _2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: `I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt._ _3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"_ Maybe if you don’t want to be accused of genocide you shouldn’t reminisce about that time your God commanded you to commit genocide? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/815 "2024-05-31T13:53:00Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Maybe if you don’t want to be accused of genocide you shouldn’t reminisce about that time your God commanded you to commit genocide? That’s not how anyone in Judaism has used the story for about two thousand years. But I’m sure you know Judaism _so much better than I do_ so by all means keep Christplaining to me. Just curious, how many sermons on the Haftara for Parashat Zachor have you heard, that you are basing your understanding of the term Amalek as used in modern Judaism on? I assume it must be a large number, since you are _so confident_. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/816 "2024-05-31T13:55:40Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > so by all means keep Christplaining to me. I’m not a Cristian. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/817 "2024-05-31T13:57:33Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’m not a Cristian If you were raised in the Christian dominant US culture you are fully capable of Christplaining whether or not you personally believe that Jesus has saved you. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/818 "2024-05-31T14:02:59Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Just curious, how many sermons on the Haftara for Parashat Zachor have you heard, A few. That’s an incredibly embarrassing piece of the Bible. It’s ugly enough that i don’t like celebrating Purim, honestly. My Rabbi once gave a sermon that said, in part, “it’s a good thing the Amalekites are no longer around, because otherwise we would be commanded to commit genocide” I realize that the word is used differently in modern Judaism. And also, it’s still an injunction to genocide. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Maybe if you don’t want to be accused of genocide you shouldn’t reminisce about that time your God commanded you to commit genocide? This is excellent advise. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/819 "2024-05-31T14:16:32Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Christplaining How, exactly, is quoting from the fucking Book Christplaining? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/820 "2024-06-01T14:35:32Z")
Look, you’re obviously a Black bird, so he can’t use his other new favourite tactic of accusing you of whitesplaining, so this is the only fallback. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=42)