# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/861 "2024-06-09T02:26:06Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I’m pleased that the hostages are safe. How the rescues were conducted though Big “I’m not racist, but…” energy you’re giving off there. And of course, the Israelis are the bad guys for maybe using subterfuge to effect a rescue, while there’s not a word of opprobrium for the people who were using a refugee camp as a prison for eight months. Your Hamas sympathies are showing again. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/862 "2024-06-09T02:31:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Big “I’m not racist, but…” energy you’re giving off there. …because I don’t think slaughtering children is a good thing to do? > [@Smapti](#): > > And of course, the Israelis are the bad guys for maybe using subterfuge to effect a rescue, Not subterfuge. A _warcrime_. The very warcrime they’ve accused Palestinians of doing all of the time. Its why they target ambulances and aid convoys and hospitals. Every accusation is a confession. > [@Smapti](#): > > Your Hamas sympathies are showing again. “But Hamas” is all you’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/863 "2024-06-09T02:54:48Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Not subterfuge. A _warcrime_. The very warcrime they’ve accused Palestinians of doing all of the time. Its why they target ambulances and aid convoys and hospitals. > > Every accusation is a confession. So I suppose the freed hostages should have just stayed imprisoned for the rest of their lives. We wouldn’t want to break an imaginary set of rules that the terrorists don’t even pretend to adhere to, after all. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > because I don’t think slaughtering children is a good thing to do? The death of children is bad, and every single one of those deaths is Hamas’ fault. This war is of their own choosing and instigation, and every innocent’s blood that is spilled is on their hands. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > “But Hamas” is all you’ve got. Just admit you don’t believe Israel should exist, already. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/864 "2024-06-09T03:05:47Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So I suppose the freed hostages should have just stayed imprisoned for the rest of their lives. …nope. Who is arguing for that? This isn’t a binary situation. It isn’t a choice between “do nothing” and “commit an atrocity.” > [@Smapti](#): > > We wouldn’t want to break an imaginary set of rules that the terrorists don’t even pretend to adhere to, after all. They are the rules that your government agreed too. It’s the rules that everyone signed up for. They aren’t an “imaginary set of rules” any more than any other set of conventions, treaties, laws and rules are “imaginary.” > [@Smapti](#): > > The death of children is bad But some children more than others, correct? The death of Israeli children have you posting here with unshakable rage. But the death of Palestinian children? You are _gloating_. You shared an article that outlined an atrocity, and used it to demand an apology. WTF is wrong with you? > [@Smapti](#): > > Just admit you don’t believe Israel should exist, already. I believe that Israel should exist. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/865 "2024-06-09T03:25:45Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …nope. Who is arguing for that? You’re the one crying that rescuing them was “illegal”. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > They are the rules that your government agreed too. It’s the rules that everyone signed up for. Did Hamas sign up? Are they following the rules? If no, then Israel is under no obligatiom to do so either. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > The death of Israeli children have you posting here with unshakable rage. But the death of Palestinian children? My response to the death of Gazan children is the same as it is for Israeli children - Hamas must be destroyed so this does not happen again. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > and used it to demand an apology. And I’m still waiting for that apology, because for eight months you’ve been carrying water for Hamas and denying that there are any legitimate targets in the refugee camps, and there is now incontrovertible proof that I have been right all along and you were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/866 "2024-06-09T03:38:20Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You’re the one crying that rescuing them was “illegal”. …liar. > [@Smapti](#): > > Did Hamas sign up? It doesn’t matter. > [@](#): > > If no, then Israel is under no obligatiom to do so either. That isn’t how it works. > [@Smapti](#): > > And I’m still waiting for that apology, because for eight months you’ve been carrying water for Hamas and denying that there are any legitimate targets in the refugee camps, Liar. My position is that under the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law, Israel have obligations to "constant care must be taken to spare the civilian population, civilians and civilian objects. " > [@IRC](#): > > Rule 15. In the conduct of military operations, constant care must be taken to spare the civilian population, civilians and civilian objects. All feasible precautions must be taken to avoid, and in any event to minimize, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects. [https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule15](https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule15) My position is that Israel are _not_ doing this. And the evidence for this is rather overwhelming, considering the scale of death and destruction over the last eight months that have seen an estimated 40,000 Palestinians killed with only the rescue of 7 hostages to show for it. There will be legitimate targets in the refugee camps. But that doesn’t make the entire refugee camps, and the innocent civilians in those camps, legitimate targets. All you’ve done is provide incontrovertible proof that I have been right all along and you were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/867 "2024-06-09T03:47:51Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > That isn’t how it works You’re right. It doesn’t work. You can’t play baseball when one team has gloves and bats and a ball and the other team decapitates babies. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …liar. You called the rescue an atrocity. Your words. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > My position is that under the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law, Israel have obligations to "constant care must be taken to spare the civilian population, civilians and civilian objects. " My position is that Israel is engaged in a just war and when your cause is just the ends justify the means. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > an estimated 40,000 Palestinians killed with only the rescue of 7 hostages to show for it. Does your Big Book of Rules.contain an acceptable ratio of casualties to rescues? It’d be a shame if we had to send them back. Wouldn’t want to upset the International Calvinball Court. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > There will be legitimate targets in the refugee camps Great Honk! That’s the first time since October 7th that you’ve agreed Hamas has done something wrong. There’s hope for you yet. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > . But that doesn’t make the entire refugee camps, and the innocent civilians in those camps, legitimate targets According to your “laws”, what happens to protections for a civilian target when it is used for military purposes? I’ll answer for you - those protections become null. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/868 "2024-06-09T03:58:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You’re right. …concession accepted. > [@Smapti](#): > > and the other team decapitates babies. Hamas didn’t decapitate any babies on October the 7th. There is video from yesterday’s massacre of a child with their brains hanging out of their head. > [@Smapti](#): > > You called the rescue an atrocity. Your words. The way the rescue was _conducted_ was an atrocity. Multiple warcrimes were committed. Which was irrelevant to the claim that you made about me, which was a lie. > [@Smapti](#): > > That’s the first time since October 7th that you’ve agreed Hamas has done something wrong. Liar. And this is a great big stonking lie. And you know it. Because we’ve had this conversation before. > [@Smapti](#): > > I’ll answer for you - those protections become null. This _isn’t_ true. The laws of proportionality don’t go out the window. Especially when the place where most people died yesterday was in a market, and not the places where the hostages were being held. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/869 "2024-06-09T04:06:24Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Hamas didn’t decapitate any babies on October the 7th. It was probably suicide, I suppose. > [@](#): > > There is video from yesterday’s massacre of a child with their brains hanging out of their head. So you acknowledge that Hamas is still causing the deaths of innocent children. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > The way the rescue was _conducted_ was an atrocity. So the rescue should not have happened and the former hostages should not be enjoying their freedom right now, because the lives of terrorists are more important. Ill be sure to inform them that Banquet\_Bear says they should still be praying for their lives in a bombed out tenement while the murderous fanatics keeping them there yell at “Can’t tag me, I’m on base!” at their would-be liberators. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/870 "2024-06-09T04:12:35Z")
Why do people still engage with > [@Smapti](#): > > In that case, fuck 'em all. The Lord will know his own. > [@Smapti](#): > > May they erase the memory of Amalek. Smapti doesn’t debate in good faith. All deaths are the fault of Hamas, because Israel is righteous in his eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/871 "2024-06-09T04:15:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It was probably suicide, I suppose. …cite for decapitated babies please. > [@Smapti](#): > > So you acknowledge that Hamas is still causing the deaths of innocent children. I acknowledge that the IDF killed that child. I acknowledge that the innocent children killed either by IDF bombs, or IDF drones, or IDF snipers, were caused by the IDF, and were the responsibility of the IDF. > [@Smapti](#): > > So the rescue should not have happened Should the atrocity have happened? Absolutely not. > [@Smapti](#): > > and the former hostages should not be enjoying their freedom right now, because the lives of terrorists are more important. More hostages were released during the short ceasefire than in any other time during this “war.” The key to getting the hostages out is to go back to the negotiating table in good faith. And that means both sides. > [@Smapti](#): > > Ill be sure to inform them that Banquet\_Bear says they should still be praying for their lives in a bombed out tenement while the murderous fanatics keeping them there yell at “Can’t tag me, I’m on base!” at their would-be liberators. I think they should never have been taken in the first place. I think they should have been home long ago. And they would have been, if Israel (as in, their government) actually cared about them at all. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/872 "2024-06-09T04:39:51Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I acknowledge that the IDF killed that child. I acknowledge that the innocent children killed either by IDF bombs, or IDF drones, or IDF snipers, were caused by the IDF, and were the responsibility of the IDF. False. This is Hamas’ war and every single one of those children would be alive if not for their act of unprovoked aggression. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Should the atrocity have happened? Absolutely not You have two options; the “atrocity” happens and the hostages are freed, or the hostages remain hostages. Choose one, coward. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > More hostages were released during the short ceasefire Which Hamas broke. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I think they should never have been taken in the first place. I think they should have been home long ago. And they would have been, if Israel (as in, their government) actually cared about them at all. But as long as they’ve been taken, any action Israel takes to free them is an atrocity. So sayeth Banquet\_Bear, friend to fascists and theocrats everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/873 "2024-06-09T04:48:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > if not for their act of unprovoked aggression. Not surprised that you’ve adopted the exact same excuse that was used for the US war in Afghanistan. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/874 "2024-06-09T04:49:34Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > False. …it is not false. What kind of denial nonsense is this? > [@the Guardian](#): > > “I asked the nurse, what’s the history? She said that they were brought in a couple of hours ago. They had sniper shots to the brain. They were seven or eight years old,” she said. > > The Canadian doctor’s heart sank. These were not the first children treated by Alvi who she was told were targeted by Israeli soldiers, and she knew the damage a single high-calibre bullet could do to a fragile young body. > **[‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war)** > > IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive Hamas didn’t put sniper shots into that kids brain. That was an IDF sniper. > [@Smapti](#): > > Choose one, coward. I don’t live in a binary world, dickhead. > [@Smapti](#): > > Which Hamas broke. Which the IDF broke _first_ when it fired on people trying to return to home. > [@Smapti](#): > > But as long as they’ve been taken, any action Israel takes to free them is an atrocity. They could stop with the contradictory, inflammatory rhetoric and come back to the table in good faith. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/875 "2024-06-09T05:14:00Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …it is not false. It is false that Israel is somehow responsible for the war Hamas started. Hamas WANTED this. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > don’t live in a binary world, dickhead. You are an abject coward. You refuse to accept the consequences of your philosophy when reality doesn’t conform to your naive, simplistic ideas of good and evil. If you had the courage of your convictions, your response would have been thus; “If this is the cost of freeing the hostages, then they should not have been rescued today. This is unfortunate for them, but in the long run it would be better if their freedom were brought about peacefully.” But you’re too chickenshit to say that, because it means allowing a lesser evil in order to bring about a greater good, and that doesn’t fit into your “all suffering is unacceptable no matter what” worldview where if only Israel hadn’t retaliated against the attempted genocide of the Jewish people everything would be hunky-dorey and the Chasids would be joining hands with the Islamists and everyone would be singing Hallelujah. That’s the fantasy world you live in. I live in the real world, where sometimes good people have to do bad things to bring about a greater good. It’d be nice to live in your world, but your world has never existed and never will, and if my country had behaved the way you suggest 80 years ago, your country would be speaking Japanese today (assuming, of course, that Tojo didn’t have you all genocided for lebensraum despite your nonviolent resistance and insistence that that would be against the rules.) Your all-important laws of war failed to prevent 10/7 and they won’t prevent the next one either. The only thing that will is the destruction of Hamas. Now, then; should today’s rescue have happened or not? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/876 "2024-06-09T05:15:31Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Not surprised that you’ve adopted the exact same excuse that was used for the US war in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was not a just war. It was the wrong target and I said so at the time, but the idiot running the country wanted what he thought would be a quick and easy war instead of actually going after the people responsible for 9/11. > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > All deaths are the fault of Hamas, because Israel is righteous in his eyes. Israel’s goal in this war is to rescue its citizens and destroy the organization responsible for the attack. Hamas’ goal in this war is to kill the Jews and take their land. Israel’s cause is just and Hamas are genocidal aggressors - this is their war and their responsibility just as surely as WWII was Hitler’s. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/877 "2024-06-09T05:23:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It is false that Israel is somehow responsible for the war Hamas started. …this is a strawman, you arsehole. > [@Smapti](#): > > You refuse to accept the consequences of your philosophy when reality doesn’t conform to your naive, simplistic ideas of good and evil. LOL. Says the guy where everything, including the mass detentions and killing of children on the West Bank by Israel, is the “fault of Hamas.” > [@Smapti](#): > > I live in the real world, where sometimes good people have to do bad things to bring about a greater good. I live in the real world, where people doing bad things are bad, and they aren’t bringing about a “greater good.” They are just doing bad things. > [@Smapti](#): > > Your all-important laws of war failed to prevent 10/7 and they won’t prevent the next one either. What would have prevented 10/7 would have been if the international community had upheld the rules and treaties and international laws and punished Israel for decades of apartheid. Because this didn’t start on 10/7. > [@Smapti](#): > > Now, then; should today’s rescue have happened or not? If it meant breaking the Geneva conventions and casually taking hundreds of innocent lives? Absolutely not, and I’m astounded that this is even a question. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/878 "2024-06-09T05:29:48Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I live in the real world, where people doing bad things are bad, and they aren’t bringing about a “greater good.” You are spitting on the graves of every single one of your countrymen who fought and died to keep you free, coward. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > What would have prevented 10/7 would have been if the international community had upheld the rules and treaties and international laws and punished Israel for decades of apartheid. > > Because this didn’t start on 10/7. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > If it meant breaking the Geneva conventions and casually taking hundreds of innocent lives? Absolutely not, and I’m astounded that this is even a question. Well, there you have it - 10/7 was Israel’s fault, those teenage concertgoers deserved to die for being mean to the terrorists, and the hostages aren’t worth saving, so says Banquet\_Bear, whose pure-as-the-driven-snow conscience will never ever be sullied by having to choose between Scylla and Charybdis. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/879 "2024-06-09T05:40:21Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You are spitting on the graves of every single one of your countrymen who fought and died to keep you free, coward. …if they were bad then they were bad. And if they committed war crimes I’m not going to defend them. Are you? > [@Smapti](#): > > Well, there you have it - 10/7 was Israel’s fault, those evil Jews deserved to die for being mean to the terrorists, and the hostages aren’t worth saving, so says Banquet\_Bear, Lies, lies and more lies. You just can’t help yourself from lying about anything I’ve said. The hostages lives _are_ worth saving. But if it comes at the cost of hundreds of innocent lives and multiple war crimes? Then I’ll take the “no warcrime” option every single time. You’ve made your calculus clear here, as you do all the time. Palestinian lives aren’t as important. They don’t matter. You don’t care how many innocents are killed. You don’t even care about getting the hostages back. Because if you did, you’d be demanding Israel came back to the table. And yes, 10/7 would have been prevented if Israel had ever been held to account. It never has been. That doesn’t excuse 10/7.It was an atrocity, and Hamas are to blame. But it didn’t start on that day. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/880 "2024-06-09T06:30:22Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > That doesn’t excuse 10/7.It was an atrocity, and Hamas are to blame. > > But it didn’t start on that day. Keep contradicting yourself, Hamasnik. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …if they were bad then they were bad. And if they committed war crimes I’m not going to defend them. Are you? By your logic, they must have been. After all, Japanese civilians died in WWII! And that’s always unacceptable no matter what! Don’t forget to ring your grandpa next ANZAC Day to tell him he’s a war criminal and he deserves to be punished for fighting for his country. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Palestinian lives aren’t as important. They don’t matter. Yes, that is what Hamas decided when they started this war on 10/7. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > You don’t even care about getting the hostages back. I think getting the hostages back is a cause for celebration. You think it’s an atrocity and they should have been left to rot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=45)