# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1021 "2024-06-12T02:32:05Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > . Hamas was just using them as human shields without their knowledge, …the IDF uses human shields. We’ve got documented evidence of them using Palestinian civilians as cover while they do searches or move through territory. Hiding hostages in civilian areas isn’t the same thing at all. The civilians aren’t being used as shields. Because the terrorists don’t want to be found. It would be more correct to say that they are using civilians as _camouflage_. Because they _know_ that the IDF won’t care about civilian casualties. We saw that a couple of days ago. Human shields simply aren’t effective against an enemy that has shown no respect for the rules of proportionality in this “war.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1022 "2024-06-12T03:11:37Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Hiding hostages in civilian areas isn’t the same thing at all. The civilians aren’t being used as shields. Because the terrorists don’t want to be found. It would be more correct to say that they are using civilians as _camouflage_. Oh! Well, then, glad that’s been straightened out! Nothing to see here, people, move along, it’s OK to hide military forces in heavily populated civilian areas as long as nobody knows, because that way the civilians won’t even KNOW their lives are forfeit and get the chance to chicken out! It’s the ultimate recruiting tool - surprise martyrdom! Now I understand how Hamas have been playing by the book all along and it’s those wicked Israelis making them look bad by refusing to play by the rules of Human Gun Tag and trying to make them It when they’re on base. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1023 "2024-06-12T03:43:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > it’s OK to hide military forces in heavily populated civilian areas …it _isn’t_ OK to hide military forces, terrorists or hostages in heavily populated civilian areas. It _also_ isn’t okay to disregard proportionality when both planning and executing a military operation. So-called “human shields” isn’t a get-out-of-jail card. Killing nearly 300 people and wounding over 600 is still an atrocity no matter what you call them. This was a discussion about terminology. Calling people that just happened to be at a nearby market “human shields” takes away all meaning from the term. They weren’t targeted because they were shielding the terrorists and there was no other way to get to them. They were targeted _as part of the IDF escape plan_ because things went wrong. The consequences of this operation are quite dire. Hamas announced shortly after this incident that basically any future attempts at a rescue will result in the immediate execution of the hostage. It makes any future rescue attempts pretty much impossible. It’s changed the game. Its means aid trucks and even refugees are now coming under increased scrutiny. Its put aid workers at further risk. Once again: the best way to get the rest of the hostages home is to negotiate an end to the hostilities. All this massacre has done is made that process even harder now. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1024 "2024-06-12T03:58:49Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Hamas announced shortly after this incident that basically any future attempts at a rescue will result in the immediate execution of the hostage. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Once again: the best way to get the rest of the hostages home is to negotiate an end to the hostilities. Ah yes, the time-honored tradition of responding to terrorist threats by giving them what they want. One can only wonder why the brother of the man who died freeing the Entebbe hostages has failed to see your wisdom. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1025 "2024-06-12T04:06:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Ah yes, the time-honored tradition of responding to terrorist threats by giving them what they want. …it either ends with a negotiated end to hostilities (as all wars tend to end), or the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Gaza. It seems you are cheering for the genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1026 "2024-06-12T04:09:45Z")
I’m cheering for a day when Gaza is no longer under the rule of a man who describes the deaths of his own civilians as “necessary sacrifices”, which you seem to have decided is not an option. > [@](#): > > “We have the Israelis right where we want them,” Yahya Sinwar told other Hamas leaders recently, according to one of the messages, the WSJ reported Monday. In another, Sinwar is said to have described civilian deaths as “necessary sacrifices” while citing past independence-related conflicts in countries like Algeria. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1027 "2024-06-12T04:26:24Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …it _isn’t_ OK to hide military forces, terrorists or hostages in heavily populated civilian areas. > > It _also_ isn’t okay to disregard proportionality when both planning and executing a military operation. It’s also worth pointing out that there basically isn’t anywhere in Gaza that isn’t a heavily populated civilian area. I’m not excusing Hamas’s attacks on civilians, but that also doesn’t excuse Israel’s wanton excess destruction of civilian life and then trying to blame it on Hamas’s being in “civilian areas”. There really isn’t anywhere else in Gaza. Combatants can’t just go out and take over a deserted country estate with acres of rolling farmland all around like at the Battle of Waterloo or something. Israel deliberately chose to engage in a prolonged and very bloody campaign against guerrilla-type militants based in (in fact, pretty much confined in) a very small and densely populated urban area, under the absurdly unrealistic pretext of “eliminating” said militants. The entirely predictable (and predicted) massive degree of allegedly unintended Palestinian deaths inflicted by Israel in those circumstances is a direct consequence of Israel’s own deliberate choices. And trying to pretend that Israeli forces are just the helpless tools of their Hamas opponents, forced to slaughter uncounted thousands of Palestinian civilians without meaning to because Hamas is making them do it, is neither persuasive nor impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1028 "2024-06-12T04:27:50Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m cheering for a day when Gaza is no longer under the rule of a man who describes the deaths of his own civilians as “necessary sacrifices”, which you seem to have decided is not an option. …I’m cheering for the day when at the highest levels of the Israeli government, they stop calling Palestinians “human animals”. For when Israel ends their regime of apartheid, of administrative detention, of demolishing homes in the West Bank, of the siege of Gaza that has lasted over a decade. Nobody here is _defending_ Hamas. But this war has been an absolute disaster in terms of _dealing_ with Hamas. It targeted civilian infrastructure, its targeted civilians. Its turned much of the world against Israel. There is no plan and no strategy to get rid of Hamas. There is no plan or strategy to rescue the hostages. The last eight months of war have made that clear. The war will not end Hamas. So it either results in the end of Gaza, or we have a negotiated end to hostilities. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1029 "2024-06-12T04:43:29Z")
Still waiting for that evidence Hamas is killing Gazans and blaming Israel for it. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1030 "2024-06-12T04:55:57Z")
We have some friends whose kid is going through a rough time. He’ll destroy something and then blame his parents: “it’s your fault for not letting me stay up late.” “It’s your fault for not buying me that game.” It sounds really stupid when he blames them. Like, does he actually think anyone accepts that excuse? Oh well, we cut him slack because he’s a kid. I’m sure he won’t be such an idiot when he grows up. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1031 "2024-06-12T05:23:41Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Nobody here is _defending_ Hamas. Between your defending their use of human shields, describing them as “fighting for liberation from oppression”, rationalizing attacks on ambulances and raiding of aid deliveries, justifying the killing of hostages and opposing their rescue, and making excuses for 10/7, it sure sounds like you are. > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Still waiting for that evidence Hamas is killing Gazans and blaming Israel for it. Hamas is getting Gazan civlians killed every day that they continue with this war. Every Gazan civilian killed in combat in the past eight months is the direct result of the choice they made. > [@TroutMan](#): > > We have some friends whose kid is going through a rough time. He’ll destroy something and then blame his parents: “it’s your fault for not letting me stay up late.” “It’s your fault for not buying me that game.” > > It sounds really stupid when he blames them. Like, does he actually think anyone accepts that excuse? Whose fault was it that hundreds of thousands of European civilians died in the liberation of Europe - the Allies for liberating them or Hitler for occupying them? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1032 "2024-06-12T06:17:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Hamas is getting Gazan civlians killed every day that they continue with this war. Every Gazan civilian killed in combat in the past eight months is the direct result of the choice they made. That’s not what you said. You said Hamas is actively killing Gazans and blaming Israel. Last I checked, the IDF was the one lobbing bombs and pulling triggers with Palestinians in the sights. Again, unless you have evidence and not more rhetorical horseshit allowing you to remove all agency and blame from Israel? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1033 "2024-06-12T07:27:28Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Between your defending their use of human shields, describing them as “fighting for liberation from oppression”, …I’ve taken particular care to choose my words _carefully_. And here you are, yet again, smashing that nuance with a sledgehammer. I didn’t “defend their use of humans shields.” I rejected the characterization of people walking through a market _as_ human shields. And when I talked about liberation, it was on the context of your claim that “the cause dictates the morality.” My argument is that the _cause_ and the morality of _how you chose to fight for that cause_ is distinct. Your cause might be just, but committing a genocide to achieve that cause is morally bankrupt. > [@Smapti](#): > > rationalizing attacks on ambulances > **[Killing of 5-year-old girl in Gaza sparks international condemnation as war...](https://abcnews.go.com/International/killing-5-year-girl-gaza-sparks-international-condemnation/story?id=110481771)** > > The killing of 5-year-old Hind Rajab in Gaza has sparked international condemnation as the war there continues. > **[Gaza: Israeli Ambulance Strike Apparently Unlawful](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/07/gaza-israeli-ambulance-strike-apparently-unlawful)** > > The Israeli military’s strike on a marked ambulance just outside of Gaza City’s Al-Shifa Hospital on November 3, 2023 was apparently unlawful and should be investigated as a possible war crime. > **[Gaza paramedics killed in Israeli attack on Red Crescent ambulance](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/gaza-paramedics-killed-in-israeli-attack-on-red-crescent-ambulance-211964485634)** > > NBC News filmed the sad scene as PRCS staff bid farewell to two colleagues killed when their ambulance was targeted while trying to reach casualties from an earlier attack. The ambulance was easily visible and should be protected by the Geneva... [https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/2-paramedics-killed-in-israeli-airstrike-on-ambulance-in-rafah/3234807](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/2-paramedics-killed-in-israeli-airstrike-on-ambulance-in-rafah/3234807) > **[Red Crescent says Israeli strike on Gaza ambulance kills 6](https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/01/red-crescent-says-israeli-strike-gaza-ambulance-kills-6)** > > The Palestinian Red Crescent Society said an Israeli strike on an ambulance in the central Gaza Strip on Wednesday killed four medics and two other people inside the vehicle.The organisation said in a statement there were "six martyrs" as a result of... I haven’t included all of the strikes on ambulances in Gaza by the IDF because there have been so many its hard to keep track. But another one for good measure: > [@Twitter](#): > > After the Israeli occupation forces raided the PRCS Al-Amal Hospital in Khan Yunis, they stole all the keys of the ambulance vehicles and administrative vehicles, and they locked the steering wheels to prevent the staff from operating the vehicles, amidst the ongoing siege and targeting of the hospital for the twentieth consecutive day. > > [@Smapti](#): > > and raiding of aid deliveries, > [@](#): > > UN experts\* today condemned the violence unleashed by Israeli forces, which killed at least 112 people gathered to collect flour in Gaza last week, as a “massacre” amid conditions of inevitable starvation and destruction of the local food production system in the besieged Palestinian enclave. > > “Israel has been intentionally starving the Palestinian people in Gaza since 8 October. Now it is targeting civilians seeking humanitarian aid and humanitarian convoys,” the UN experts said. “Israel must end its campaign of starvation and targeting of civilians.” [https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/un-experts-condemn-flour-massacre-urge-israel-end-campaign-starvation-gaza](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/un-experts-condemn-flour-massacre-urge-israel-end-campaign-starvation-gaza) > **[Israeli forces kill, wound Palestinians waiting for food aid in Gaza](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/20/israeli-forces-kill-wound-palestinians-waiting-for-food-aid-in-gaza)** > > At least one dead as Israeli forces open fire on crowd of hungry Palestinians waiting for aid convoy in northern Gaza. > [@](#): > > A deliberate Israeli policy to reinforce famine in the Gaza Strip” reveals the killing of 563 Palestinians and the injury of 1,523 more due to Israel’s targeting of people waiting for aid, distribution centres, and workers responsible for organising, protecting, and distributing aid. > > According to the report, between 11 January and 23 March 2024, 256 people were killed in the Kuwait Roundabout area, in the southeast of Gaza City, 230 on Al-Rashid Street, in the southwest of the city, and 21 due to the targeting of aid distribution centres. Documentation also shows that 41 police officers and People’s Protection Committee members who were in charge of overseeing aid distribution were killed, along with 12 aid distribution workers, two of whom were from UNRWA. > **[Killing starving Palestinians and targeting aid trucks: A Deliberate Israeli...](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/killing-starving-palestinians-and-targeting-aid-trucks-deliberate-israeli-policy-reinforce-famine-gaza-strip-april-2024)** > > Analysis in English on occupied Palestinian territory about Food and Nutrition and Protection and Human Rights; published on 3 Apr 2024 by Euro-Med Monitor Every accusation is a confession. Every single time. > [@Smapti](#): > > justifying the killing of hostages And this is just an outright fucking lie. I _explained_ the Hamas position, I didn’t _defend_ it. These were measures that _weren’t_ introduced when the last two hostages were rescued during the Super Bowl. The needless slaughter of innocents at Nuseirat changed the equation. > [@Smapti](#): > > and opposing their rescue, I oppose the manner in _which the rescue was conducted_. I’m over the moon that the hostages are safe. > [@Smapti](#): > > and making excuses for 10/7 Another fucking lie. I’ve condemned it. I’ve called it an atrocity. A warcrime. It shouldn’t have happened. The hostages should be released. The people responsible should be made to pay for it. There are no excuses for that clear act of terror. > [@Smapti](#): > > it sure sounds like you are. That would be because you are debating here in bad faith. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1034 "2024-06-12T07:48:50Z")
> [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4148): > > Hamas is winning Sure they are. 🙄 > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4148): > > Israel is doing what Hamas wants. Israel responded exactly as Hamas expected and wanted. The West, you included, are responding exactly how Hamas wants. Their callous use of civilian lives as ammunition in a PR battle against Israel is working because the West is reacting _exactly_ as Sinwar predicted they would. Great job! You’re showing the world that hiding behind civilians is an effective tactic. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1035 "2024-06-12T09:59:50Z")
The Israeli government and IDF’s failures and foibles are not the fault of the West. They can stop dancing to Hamas’s tune by changing course. And yes, of course hiding behind civilians is effective when you want civilians killed (as Hamas does). Unfortunately, killing civilians is easy. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1036 "2024-06-12T10:44:36Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The West, you included, are responding exactly how Hamas wants. Their callous use of civilian lives as ammunition in a PR battle against Israel is working because the West is reacting _exactly_ as Sinwar predicted they would. Great job! You’re showing the world that hiding behind civilians is an effective tactic. Nah. He’s showing the world that massacring civilians isn’t an effective tactic. It’s astonishing how upset you are over that. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1037 "2024-06-12T11:06:11Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Nah. He’s showing the world that massacring civilians isn’t an effective tactic. The fact that you call what Israel is doing “massacring” civilians is precisely proof that getting your own civilians killed is enormously effective. Meanwhile, in reality, I don’t know in what world the IDF’s operations are “ineffective”. They have killed at the _very_ least ten thousand Hamas fighters, destroyed significant portions of their tunnels and infrastructure, and - [if Hamas keeps being stupid enough to reject the gifts the West keeps trying to give them -](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-11/ty-article-live/biden-on-un-cease-fire-resolution-hamas-must-prove-it-wants-a-deal/00000190-0517-d5ad-ad93-255fa9c30000) then this may yet end with the permanent replacement of Hamas. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1038 "2024-06-12T11:31:46Z")
> **[UN inquiry finds Israel and Hamas have both committed war crimes since October...](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/12/middleeast/un-report-israel-hamas-gaza-war-crimes-intl-hnk/index.html)** > > A United Nations inquiry into the first few months of the war in Gaza has found both Israel and Hamas committed war crimes and grave violations of international law, in the body’s first in-depth investigation into the October 7 attacks and the... I don’t suppose this will change your mind, but hopefully it will lose Israel support. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1039 "2024-06-12T11:37:06Z")
> [@Mikkel](#): > > hopefully it will lose Israel support What a twisted thing to hope for. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1040 "2024-06-12T12:02:42Z")
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