# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1141 "2024-07-03T02:15:02Z")
Is this translation accurate though? > מאז שנכנסתי לתפקידי כשר לביטחון לאומי, אחת המטרות העליונות שהצבתי לעצמי היא הרעת תנאי המחבלים בבתי הסוהר, וצמצום זכויותיהם למינימום המתחייב על פי חוק. כך התחייבתי לבוחריי ולעם ישראל עוד בבחירות, כאשר הודעתי שאדרוש את התפקיד. > Since I assumed the position of Minister of National Security, one of the highest goals I have set for myself is to worsen the conditions of the terrorists in the prisons, and to reduce their rights to the minimum required by law. This is what I committed to my voters and the people of Israel back in the elections, when I announced that I would claim the position. I’m highly skeptical where **Banquet\_Bear** claims a top govt official admits to violating the law as a matter of policy. Even the Google translation he quoted mentions “the minimum required by law”. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1142 "2024-07-03T02:33:03Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Is this translation accurate though? Basically, yes. Like I said, it **is** vile, even without the classic lying and mistranslation. He alleged that Palestinian prisoners were too well treated before (he uses the term “summer camp”) and takes credit for ending that state of affairs, while being as nasty about it as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1143 "2024-07-03T02:45:16Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Even with the additional context, is he not gloating about mistreating prisoners? He is gloating about worsening their conditions by taking away things that aren’t required by law. Whether that rises to the level of “mistreatment” is debatable. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Are Palestinian detainees being held by Israel kept in conditions in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? I haven’t seen credible evidence that they aren’t. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > So since you are here: do you believe the accusations that “Israeli guards sexually assaulted six prisoners with a stick in front of the other detainees” is true or not? I highly doubt it. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Do you think they warrant an investigation? Sure, serious allegations are always worth investigating. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1144 "2024-07-03T03:09:44Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I haven’t seen credible evidence that they aren’t. CNN published a report a couple months ago about Sde Teiman specifically, they spoke with a few Israeli whistleblowers and multiple ex-prisoners on the record. Allegations included things like stripping and beating prisoners, amputating hands due to injuries from excessive zip-ties of the wrist, denial of access to lawyers for 90 days, etc. These and other allegations caused a petition to be sent to the Supreme Court of Israel which ordered an inquiry, I think late last month. I have not followed the story since, though. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1145 "2024-07-03T03:17:10Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He is gloating about worsening their conditions by taking away things that aren’t required by law. Whether that rises to the level of “mistreatment” is debatable. …so it’s a quibble over what you consider is mistreatment then? You are calling me a liar because you want to pretend that this isn’t happening? > **[Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh83jIwZjyY%2F)** > > A CNN investigation has uncovered the horrors of a shadowy detention facility where Palestinian prisoners are blindfolded, handcuffed and forced to wear dirt... > [@Babale](#): > > I haven’t seen credible evidence that they aren’t. Where was Dr. Mohammed Abu Salmiya held for the last six months? Was he a prisoner of war, or something else? Was his name sent to the Central Tracing Agency of the ICRC? Was his family allowed to communicate with him and send him relief packages? Because I’ll answer that for you: nobody knew where he was until he was released a few days ago. And there are thousands of families, not just in Gaza, but in the West Bank, that don’t know the fate of people that have just _disappeared_. Is that your final answer? > [@Babale](#): > > I highly doubt it. Why? Human rights agencies have been reporting similar stories going back decades. I know you must have read them. Because I’ve shared the links with you often. So why do you think they aren’t credible? > [@Babale](#): > > Sure, serious allegations are always worth investigating. Is that fucking it? You are so _angry_ with me. But allegations of sexual abuse? :: shrug :: ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1146 "2024-07-03T03:45:34Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > You are calling me a liar because you want to pretend that this isn’t happening? No; I’m calling you a liar because Ben Gvir said “the stories about how overly well the Palestinian prisoners were being treated were true” to brag about how he cut their condition to the minimum required by Israeli law; and you dishonestly quoted this to imply that all the horror stories being made up about Israel are true. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Where was Dr. Mohammed Abu Salmiya held for the last six months? Being investigated for the way he ran a hospital/Hamas HQ for months and lied about it? The fucker lied about having Hamas at his hospital, about keeping hostages at the hospital, about a doctor murdering a hostage at his hospital. If he told me the sky was blue, I’d go outside to check. I don’t trust _any_ of his allegations. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1147 "2024-07-03T04:03:32Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > No; I’m calling you a liar because Ben Gvir said “the stories about how overly well the Palestinian prisoners were being treated were true” to brag about how he cut their condition to the minimum required by Israeli law; and you dishonestly quoted this to imply that all the horror stories being made up about Israel are true. …I mean, I believe that all of the horror stories about Palestinian detainees _are_ true. And those stories are supported by evidence provided not only by former Palestinian detainees, but by Israeli whistleblowers. And I literally said I was unsure about the translation. That you keep accusing me of “dishonestly quoting” when I honestly quoted, and asked for clarification. > [@Babale](#): > > investigated > [@Babale](#): > > Being investigated for the way he ran a hospital/Hamas HQ for months and lied about it? Firstly, Al Shifa wasn’t a Hamas HQ. Secondly: was he held in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? > [@Babale](#): > > The fucker lied about having Hamas at his hospital, about keeping hostages at the hospital, about a doctor murdering a hostage at his hospital. Was he held in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? And which doctor allegedly murdered Corporal Noa Marciano? > [@Babale](#): > > If he told me the sky was blue, I’d go outside to check. Was he held in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? > [@Babale](#): > > I don’t trust _any_ of his allegations. I didn’t ask you too. He didn’t make _any_ allegations in the six months he was missing. Because he was _missing_. Was he held in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1148 "2024-07-03T04:22:20Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Firstly, Al Shifa wasn’t a Hamas HQ. Sure it wasn’t. When you stop denying basic reality conversation with you might be worthwhile. Until then, you don’t deserve any more than pithy responses and offensive smileys. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1149 "2024-07-03T04:32:35Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Sure it wasn’t. …I’m glad you agree. > [@Babale](#): > > When you stop denying basic reality conversation with you might be worthwhile. When Israel provides more fucking evidence than a few videos of empty tunnels then maybe they might have a case. But they haven’t. And since you bring up hospitals, can you explain why the European Hospital was forcibly evacuated yesterday in breach of the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? And was Dr. Mohammed Abu Salmiya held in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1150 "2024-07-03T05:10:06Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > When Israel provides more fucking evidence than a few videos of empty tunnels then maybe they might have a case. But they haven’t. 🥱 OK, Banquet Buddy. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > And since you bring up hospitals, can you explain why the European Hospital was forcibly evacuated yesterday in breach of the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? You just _[can’t help yourself but lie](https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/middleeast/israeli-military-orders-evacuations-in-southern-gaza-intl/index.html)_, can you? > [@](#): > > In a separate statement, hours after the initial evacuation order, the IDF said the order “does not apply to the patients in the European Hospital or the medical staff working there.” > > “There is no intention to evacuate the European Hospital,” the IDF statement added. So the answer to your question is, the European Hospital _wasn’t_ fORcIbLy EvAcUaTeD. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > And was Dr. Mohammed Abu Salmiya held in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? I haven’t seen any credible allegations that he wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1151 "2024-07-03T08:29:14Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > OK, Banquet Buddy. …that’s all there is. What did they get out of Dr. Mohammed Abu Salmiya? They held him for six months. He must have been a _treasure trove_ of information. Did they put him on trial? Oh no, they released him! If it was a Hamas HQ, and Salmiya was central to that, why did they let him go? > [@Babale](#): > > You just _[can’t help yourself but lie](https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/middleeast/israeli-military-orders-evacuations-in-southern-gaza-intl/index.html)_, can you? You know that the IDF say that after _every_ hospital they forcibly evacuate, right? I know you remember when it happened at Al Shifa. You were involved in the conversations. The evacuation during the first Al Shifa raid was ordered was made early in the morning, and as people were leaving the hospital, the IDF denied they had said any such thing. The article you cited quotes a doctor who said this was his _third_ evacuation. Do you understand Israel’s obligations as the occupying power under International Humanitarian law? Why aren’t they doing _everything_ they can to keep the Gazan healthcare system working? Because we all know why people fled the hospital. Because of the mass incarcerations and massacres that happen every single other time, Israel raids a hospital. If you choose to believe what the IDF say here, all power to you. I think they are lying. Just as they lied every single other time they said the same thing. > [@Babale](#): > > I haven’t seen any credible allegations that he wasn’t. Was he allowed to correspond with his family? Were they allowed to send relief packages? Do you acknowledge the facts outlined in the Wikipedia article are well cited and largely correct? > **[Mass detentions in the Israel–Hamas war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_detentions_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war)** > > Workers in Israel: 4,000–5,000\[a\] > > Engagements > [@Wiki](#): > > On December 10, _[The Washington Post](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post)_ stated a pattern had emerged in which men and boys were detained by the Israeli military and then never heard from again.[[43]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_detentions_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#cite_note-Israel_is_detaining_civilians-48) On December 16, the [OHCHR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_the_United_Nations_High_Commissioner_for_Human_Rights) stated it had received “numerous disturbing reports from the [north of Gaza](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Gaza_Governorate) of mass detentions, ill-treatment and enforced disappearances of possibly thousands of Palestinians,” including children.[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_detentions_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#cite_note-amnesty-1)[[61]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_detentions_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#cite_note-66) By 16 January 2024, the Palestinian Prisoners Society reported there were a total of 8,800 Palestinians in Israeli prisons.[[62]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_detentions_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#cite_note-67) I can’t read some of the cites because its paywalled. But do you acknowledge that Israel are “disappearing” hundreds, possibly thousands of people? Another one for you. What happened to Professor Adnan Bursh? Why was he detained? How did he die? Do the Red Cross have access to the prisoners in detention? If not, what independent body is verifying how prisoners are treated? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1152 "2024-07-03T11:45:07Z")
One thing about the IOF and hospitals - Israelis will straight-up lie about shit even in international courts. Such as whether or not a Hamas fighter is actually in a hospital or not: > **[An Assessment Of Visual Material Presented By The Israeli Legal Team At The Icj](https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/assessment-israeli-material-icj-jan-2024)** > > Forensic Architecture’s analysis of the visual material presented by the Israeli legal team at the ICJ hearing on 12 January 2024 found multiple instances of misrepresentation, mislabelling, and misleading descriptions. The Israeli government lies, all the time. Anyone who believes anything they say, without neutral corroboration, is a fool. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1153 "2024-07-03T23:06:56Z")
…an update from the UN about the forced evacuation of European Hospital. > > [@](#): > > “There are no patients, there’s no equipment, and it’s no longer functional,” says Jonathan Whittall, our colleague on site. Israel issued an evacuation order for the area the hospital was in. So they started to evacuate the hospital. _The next day_ they issued a clarification that the hospital didn’t need to evacuate. But by then it was too late. Because everyone knows what the IDF do when they raid a hospital. They arrest doctors and nurses and medical staff. Credible reports of massacres. They smash the equipment up. In some cases, they bulldoze the hospital. In others, like at Al Shifa, they set it on fire. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1154 "2024-07-03T23:17:46Z")
From the article about the UN report: > The IPC analysis finds that about 96 per cent of the population of the Gaza strip are likely to face crisis or worse levels of acute food insecurity (IPC Phase 3 or above) between 16 June and 30 September, including 33 per cent (745,000 people) projected to face emergency levels of acute food insecurity (IPC Phase 4) and 22 per cent (495,000 people) projected to face catastrophic levels of acute food insecurity (IPC Phase 5). From [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Food_Security_Phase_Classification) phase 5 insecurity means > At least 20 percent of households face a complete lack of food and/or other basic needs and starvation, death, and destitution are evident; and acute malnutrition prevalence exceeds 30%; and mortality rates exceed 2/10000/day So if 495,000 people are expected to reach level five that means - more than 99,000 people are expected to be completely without food - more than 148,500 people are expected to suffer from accute malnutrition - more than 99 people are expected to starve to death every day. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1155 "2024-07-03T23:32:03Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > more than 99 people are expected to starve to death every day. Right, where are all these people who have starved to death? In fact, the new IPC report backed off from these famine claims (and listed a bunch of food sources that were completely ignored by the prior report, which make up between 60 to over 100 percent of daily caloric requirements depending on the estimate used). But that won’t stop Banquet Buddy from claiming Israel is genociding the Gazans. Because he didn’t use any facts to arrive at that position in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1156 "2024-07-03T23:54:34Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > But that won’t stop Banquet Buddy from claiming Israel is genociding the Gazans. Because he didn’t use any facts to arrive at that position in the first place. …here you are literally counting calories. Laughing at dead babies. Ignoring all the evidence of blatant breaches of the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law. Just admit you don’t think Palestinians are human and be done with it already. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1157 "2024-07-04T00:12:11Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > the new IPC report backed off from these famine claim Do you have a cite for this? I visited the [IPC website](https://www.ipcinfo.org/), and all I could find were statstics that match what Banquet Bear posted. One would think that if they were revising their estimate it would be published in a recent and they would have updated their map. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1158 "2024-07-04T00:24:02Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Do you have a cite for this? > **[New Gaza famine report reveals grim March predictions were vastly exaggerated](https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-gaza-famine-report-reveals-grim-march-predictions-were-vastly-exaggerated/)** > > Study appears to emphasize outlying malnutrition results, does not disclose mortality data, leading some experts to question the basis of its new projections …everything Babale is posting now is coloured by propaganda and creative interpretation. Things like when he claimed “a doctor at Al Shifa murdered a hostage.” That isn’t a verified claim. But the claim is all over the place if you dig deep at the right places. Every accusation is a confession. Everything Babale claims about me…they are doing themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1159 "2024-07-04T00:28:12Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Just admit you don’t think Palestinians are human and be done with it already. Go fuck yourself. You’re the asshole here literally making Hamas’s strategy of hiding behind civilians work. Unlike you, I don’t want all the Palestinians to die in a glorious struggle against the capitalist settler-colonialist oppressors in order to secure the Right of Return, or whatever leftist nonsense fills your head these days; I want Hamas _put down_ so that the rest of the Palestinians can peacefully coeexist with Israel, the way the 20% of Israelis who are Muslim Arabs do. Unlike you, I _do_ view Palestinians as humans, not just as political pawns to use in my agenda of decolonization because I hate whiteys so much. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1160 "2024-07-04T00:33:32Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Do you have a cite for this? > **[IPC\_Famine\_Review\_Committee\_Report\_Gaza\_June2024.pdf](https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_Famine_Review_Committee_Report_Gaza_June2024.pdf)** > > 6.10 MB > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …here you are literally counting calories. That’s meant to be a joke, right? Yes, if you make the claim that there is a famine - IE that people are not able to get enough food to meet their caloric needs - you best have fucking _counted calories_ before you make that claim. That the UN bodies failed to do so before spouting off shows that they are not serious organizations, and that you use the term derogatorily shows that you are either a bad faith actor, or so stupid that it is a wonder you are able to function on your own. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=59)