# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1301 "2024-07-27T14:51:16Z")
Of course that protest image is antisemitic. Is anyone here disputing it is, or approving of it? No. Does it make Israel _right_? Like fallacious hell, it does. Does it excuse ongoing Settler colonialism in the West Bank? Nope. Does it somehow negate Israeli genocide in Gaza? Not a fuck. I don’t think I’ve ever been to a protest as an adult where there wasn’t someone there who made me go “Oh, Gods!” and roll my eyes. Doesn’t mean I stopped going to protests or felt it tarnished my own activism in any way. Same-same with the people turning to antisemitic tropes to express their outrage at the IOF and Bibi, or expressing their genuine antisemitism - just because they’re against the same people I’m against doesn’t mean we’re on the same side. @Babale is nowadays completely silent on the things _Israel_ does, like ethnically profile medics and slaughter schoolkids, journalists and doctors. But pretty damn quick to yell “Antisemite” at _every_ opponent of the IOF butchery. And lie about what people on these boards have said. Would _love_ a cite for the words he’s now putting in Israel critics’ mouths. Leaving aside the absolutely trolling bullshit of “Hamas defenders” for the worthless dribble of the morally bankrupt that it so obviously is, of course. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1302 "2024-07-27T15:20:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > But pretty damn quick to yell “Antisemite” at _every_ opponent of the IOF butchery. No, he’s pretty quick to yell “BLOOD LIBEL”, and that’s an order of magnitude worse than “Antisemite”. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2024, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1303 "2024-07-27T15:37:20Z")
Be careful, or he’ll unleash his devastating attack of using mixed case text. ---
**Author:** ![WreckingCrew](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wreckingcrew/32/4080_2.png) [@WreckingCrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WreckingCrew)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1304 "2024-07-27T16:09:31Z")
I assume that is the idea they are going for, seeing who appears to have made the effigy, and presuming that anyone who is pro-Hamas is up to date on their anti-Semitic tropes. I can’t actually **know** it without more information than what is provided in that photo, but yes I agree it is an anti-Semitic image. And the people who made it are not helping any effort for a peaceful solution in Gaza. But I don’t agree that any association of Netanyahu with blood, or killing for that matter, is automatically a blood libel. You seem to have a very set definition of what qualifies as genocide, but you seem quite willing to throw around accusations of blood libel on a whim. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1305 "2024-07-29T17:36:06Z")
> [@WreckingCrew](#): > > But I don’t agree that any association of Netanyahu with blood, or killing for that matter, is automatically a blood libel. Certainly not every association with killing, and not every association with blood. Saying Netanyahu having blood on his hands is probably fine. Blood dripping from his mouth on the other hand is in the same area as Obama wearing a leopard skin toga and swinging from a vine. It’s hard to argue that its unintentional. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1306 "2024-07-30T17:24:03Z")
Malnutrition spreading in Gaza – still at low levels (3 deaths, ~60 cases) but it will increase if nothing is done. > **[Malnutrition spreads in Gaza, says UN: How a 16-year-old is fighting to stay...](https://abcnews.go.com/International/malnutrition-spreads-gaza-16-year-fighting-stay-alive/story?id=112316574)** > > How one 16-year-old is fighting malnutrition to stay alive in Gaza. Considering that the IDF is having to expend resources protecting its own facilities from right-wing Israeli mobs, and also investigate and prevent its own soldiers from disgracing themselves and violating individual Gazan human rights, it shouldn’t be that surprising that they’re failing to ensure all Gazans have enough to eat. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1307 "2024-07-30T18:02:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > still at low levels (3 deaths, ~60 cases) That we know of. There may be many more dying out of sight. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1308 "2024-07-30T18:19:41Z")
Let us not forget that a shot or bombed child cannot starve to death. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1309 "2024-07-30T18:40:18Z")
Proving that even the most anti-Palestinian Israeli is, at heart, truly a humanitarian! ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1310 "2024-07-30T20:10:07Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > also investigate and prevent its own soldiers from disgracing themselves and violating individual Gazan human rights Israel already has their own Guantanamo Bay, why shouldn’t they haven’t their own Abu Ghraib? It’s unfair! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1311 "2024-08-02T02:40:50Z")
Let’s hear from those merciless terrorists, Doctors Without Borders: [Doctors in Gaza describe the horror of caring for children affected by war](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/gaza-israel-war-doctors-horror-caring-children-rcna164712) ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1312 "2024-08-03T12:51:33Z")
…polio update. > [@](#): > > Amidst a rapidly worsening situation, the Health Cluster is [preparing](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-polio-outbreak-feared-aid-delivery-crippled-attacks) for the worst-case scenario of a polio outbreak. Briefing the press in Geneva, the World Health Organization (WHO) spokesperson Christian Lindmeier [emphasized](https://www.unognewsroom.org/story/en/2282%20/un-geneva-press-briefing-30-july-2024/0/WjnegYbwZ1) that, while efforts are ongoing to acquire vaccines, as in the case of food and medical supplies, “it is not enough to just get [them] across the border.” The WHO spokesperson called for a ceasefire or, at the very least, clear roads and safe access to allow partners to reach each and every person in Gaza with the necessary vaccinations. Hepatitis A update: > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, Hepatitis A [continues](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gazas-displaced-people-face-new-peril-hepatitis-outbreak) to rage across Gaza, with 800 to 1,000 new cases of acute jaundice syndrome reported weekly at UNRWA health centres and shelters. Since October 2023, UNRWA has recorded nearly 40,000 cases in its shelters and clinics, against only 85 during the same period prior to the war. “This is a frightening increase,” [underscored](https://x.com/UNLazzarini/status/1819334305958514894) UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini. Jaundice update. > [@](#): > > According to [WHO data](https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiOGVmMDQ3NTctYzExZS00MGYyLTg0Y2UtOWNiMzg1MGUzMmFkIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9), a total of 107,000 cases of acute jaundice syndrome have been identified through the disease surveillance network since last October. Palestinian detainee update: > [@](#): > > At least 53 Palestinian detainees from Gaza and the West Bank have died in Israeli detention since 7 October 2023, according to a new [report](https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/opt/20240731-Thematic-report-Detention-context-Gaza-hostilities.pdf) by OHCHR. General updates. > [@](#): > > - On 30 July, PCD [reported](https://www.facebook.com/share/r/YWytVtdeHdfnXBp9/?mibextid=UalRPS) that 42 bodies were recovered from the area of eastern Khan Younis following the withdrawal of the Israeli military, but the lack of resources and severity of infrastructure damage are hindering the ability of its teams to reach all areas impacted by the operation. During the military operation, PCD noted that denial of access by Israeli forces resulted in them not being able to respond to the tens of calls they received from stranded and injured people in the area. > [@](#): > > In an additional major setback for WASH infrastructure in Gaza, the Israeli military allegedly destroyed with explosives on 27 July a key water production and distribution facility, in Tal as Sultan area of Rafah governorate. The facility includes a 3,000-cubic-mere blending and distribution reservoir and three water pumping stations. The WASH Cluster reported that the destruction appears to have been targeted and would severely impact water treatment and distribution both now and during the recovery phase. Prior to the war, the reservoir served a population of 150,000 and many more during the mass displacement period in Rafah. > **[United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied...](https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-update-199-gaza-strip)** > > Two journalists were killed in an Israeli airstrike, the UN Human Rights Office reports.  The video of the destruction of the reservoir. > ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1313 "2024-08-05T17:06:58Z")
I’m sure that water reservoir was harboring Hamas terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1314 "2024-08-08T01:43:45Z")
Latest Smotrich outrage (from the Guardian, bolding mine) > The EU, France and UK have condemned a senior Israeli minister for suggesting it might be “justified and moral” to starve people in Gaza. > > The comments from Israel’s finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, in which he said “ **no one in the world will allow us to starve two million people, even though it might be justified and moral** in order to free the hostages”, sparked international outrage. At this point, I’m feeling ready to embrace the “anti-Zionist” label. A country that includes people like this in the government has no right to exist. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1315 "2024-08-08T02:21:51Z")
Wtf? Blowing up a reservoir? I know, let’s not shoot the children, let’s let them die of dehydration and polio, instead! I’m sure there was a tunnel underneath that reservoir with a gun in it. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1316 "2024-08-08T03:18:32Z")
And “in honor of Shabbat”, no less? What a shanda. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1317 "2024-08-09T05:50:04Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Israel already has their own Guantanamo Bay, why shouldn’t they haven’t their own Abu Ghraib? The difference is, the US didn’t put the Abu Ghraib torturers on television to tell the audience why raping the prisoners is Good Actually. > ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1318 "2024-08-09T08:51:57Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > The difference is, the US didn’t put the Abu Ghraib torturers on television to tell the audience why raping the prisoners is Good Actually. > > [x.com](https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1821598007298609247) Israel didn’t _put_ him on television - he went at his own initiative, and was immediately dishonorably discharged from his reserve unit as a result (which was probably his plan). Channel 14, incidentally, is Israel’s version of Fox News, only not as classy and restrained. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1319 "2024-08-09T10:34:32Z")
Also, consider this: if Abu Ghraib had happened today, what would Donald Trump and the other MAGATs have to say about it? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1320 "2024-08-09T12:41:48Z")
How much of the IDF is guys like this, or people willing to tolerate guys like this? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=67)