# Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653 "2023-11-05T21:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 96
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1901 "2024-10-02T14:35:47Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Is that an accurate read of your post, or do you have some other explanation? Israel doesn’t need to control what word the English media is going to use, or more generally how the settlements are going to be portrayed, through false, weaponized allegations of antisemitism because there’s no significant opposition that means a damn to whatever Israel wants to do. As to false, weaponized, allegations of anti-Semitism I point you to your response to a joke about Israel, that could be made about every other ‘war’ as I showed, that you’re citing as, so far the only, evidence you have for me being an anti-Semite. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1902 "2024-10-02T14:43:53Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > Is that an accurate read of your post, or do you have some other explanation? > > Israel doesn’t need to control what word the English media is going to use, or more generally how the settlements are going to be portrayed, through false, weaponized allegations of antisemitism because there’s no significant opposition that means a damn to whatever Israel wants to do. I get that you’re backpaddling from this position NOW, but how is that post I quoted meant to be read if not as an allegation that Israel IS controlling the English media? You haven’t addressed what you mean in that post at all, only distanced yourself from the claim you very plainly made. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > As to false, weaponized, allegations of anti-Semitism I point you to your response to a joke about Israel, that could be made about every other ‘war’ as I showed, You showed that the “joke” makes no fucking sense in the context of Ukraine-Russia, yes. The difference between the “joke” about Ukraine, which made no fucking sense whatsoever, and the “joke” about Israel, is the history of blood libel about Jewish people using the blood of gentiles as a “resource”. You honestly expect me to believe that you didn’t know _exactly_ what you were doing when you went 2 for 2 on matching your rhetoric to classic antisemitic tropes? > [@](#): > > _Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies._ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1903 "2024-10-02T15:08:20Z")
Yeah, except; I never said a fucking thing about "the blood of gentiles’, I’m one of the few posters that often points out actual, subtle, Blood Libel, and I’m one of the few that reminds people that the support for Israel by too many conservative Christians is at it’s root anti-Semitic. But, yeah, I’m the anti-Semite. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1904 "2024-10-02T15:10:14Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Yeah, except; > I never said a fucking thing about "the blood of gentiles’, No, you just said we are harvesting dead Palestinians for resources. I’m sure you had absolutely no idea what you were doing. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1905 "2024-10-02T15:10:50Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > But, yeah, I’m the anti-Semite. I’m sure you don’t mind us so long as we know our place, don’t get uppity, and don’t demand our own country. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1906 "2024-10-02T15:14:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m sure you don’t mind us so long as we know our place, don’t get uppity, and don’t demand our own country. And there’s your fundamental problem, you refuse to stop conflating _Israeli_ and _Jew_. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1907 "2024-10-02T15:17:56Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > And there’s your fundamental problem, you refuse to stop conflating _Israeli_ and _Jew_ It’s how the vast majority of Jewish people feel, Ratfuck. > [@](#): > > Overall, 45% of U.S. Jews say that caring about Israel is “essential” to what being Jewish means to them, and an additional 37% say that caring about Israel is an important (though not essential) part of their Jewish identity. > **[U.S. Jews’ connections with and attitudes toward Israel](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/)** > > Eight-in-ten U.S. Jews say caring about Israel is an essential or important part of what being Jewish means to them. Nearly six-in-ten say they personally I get that you don’t _want_ to think of Israel as a valid homeland to the Jewish people whether or not they live there, but that, in fact, is how the overwhelming majority of Jews in your country feel. (I know the spread is a bit different among the Jews of this site, but that doesn’t really change the facts). ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1908 "2024-10-02T15:19:54Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I get that you don’t _want_ to think What number am I thinking of? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1909 "2024-10-02T15:22:41Z")
I’m rather dubious that you _do_ any thinking. What does that question even mean? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1910 "2024-10-02T15:23:57Z")
Or, are you gonna make some crack about how I can read your mind because I’m assuming what you want to think? I guess we are already at this stage: > [@Babale](#): > > They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. Eta: called it! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1911 "2024-10-02T15:24:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > What does that question even mean? If you know what I do and do not think it should be obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1912 "2024-10-02T15:24:43Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > What does that question even mean? > > If you know what I do and do not think it should be obvious Apparently I do, since I predicted your obvious dodge! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1913 "2024-10-02T15:26:24Z")
Ahh, you missed it! You shoulda gone with Six Million and gained, yet another, way to falsely accuse me of being an anti-Semite! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1914 "2024-10-02T15:31:37Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > falsely accuse me of being an anti-Semite! Since you’re still here, do you want to explain how this post is meant to be read? > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > …and how exactly would Israel control which word the English speaking world uses to describe the settlements? > > I know this one! By accusing anyone that describes going into land that isn’t yours and settling it as the crime against humanity that it is of The Blood Libel! Again, the _obvious_ read is that even though you now claim that “obviously Israel doesn’t need to control the media because Americans are just so colonialist and racist anyways”, what you were saying _at the time of the post_ is that Israel does indeed control the world’s media through false accusations of anti-semitism. But since you keep claiming not to be an anti-Semite, you couldn’t _possibly_ have been hinting at the “Zionists control the media” canard… There must be some other, obscure meeting that I’m just not clever enough to puzzle out… Right? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1915 "2024-10-02T15:46:30Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > There must be some other, obscure meeting that I’m just not clever enough to puzzle out… Right? 🦗 🦗 🦗 🦗 Will we _ever_ get a straight answer? I wouldn’t count on it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1916 "2024-10-02T15:49:14Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Will we _ever_ get a straight answer? I wouldn’t count on it. I wouldn’t count on your ability to comprehend a straight answer given your proclivity for mind reading and conclusion jumping. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1917 "2024-10-02T15:50:20Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I wouldn’t count on your ability to comprehend a straight answer There you go, _loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past._ > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > You shoulda gone with Six Million Oh, I’m aware that you were _hinting_ at six million, just like you hinted at harvesting dead Palestinians blood libel or “_Israel_” controlling the media. I didn’t take you up on the bait, but I’m glad you made it obvious anyways, in case anyone still had any doubts that you’re an anti semitic master baiter. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1918 "2024-10-02T15:53:38Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Oh, I’m aware that you were _hinting_ at six million Like I said, mind reading and conclusion jumping. (It only occurred to me after it was posted given your desperate need to find anti-Semitism in every comment. That was the ‘’‘’‘bait’‘’‘’ and you swallowed it whole) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1919 "2024-10-02T15:56:34Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Like I said, mind reading and conclusion jumping. > (It only occurred to me after it was posted given your desperate need to find anti-Semitism in every comment.). Suuuuuure, bud. I **totally** _believe that you are completely unaware of the absurdity of your replies._ Your fake incredulity is literally identical to proto-MAGAts who insisted “You called Bush a chimp, why can’t I call Obama a monkey???”. Was it _mind reading_ to call them out for their racism? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653/1920 "2024-10-02T21:32:42Z")
First, slightly less than half of US Jews say caring about Israel is “essential” to being Jewish. Second, I don’t see “caring” defined. WTH is meant by that? What does “emotional attachment” mean? I’m emotionally attached to Ireland due to my mother’s family being half Irish, have even studied Irish Gaelic, was heavily involved in Irish-American culture and activities… but that never meant I wanted to _move_ to Ireland, or approved of everything Irish. Likewise, I might feel an attachment to my Jewish heritage and care whether or not people are suffering in Israel, but that doesn’t mean I want to _move_ to Israel, or approve of everything Israeli. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=95) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653.md?page=97)