# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/202 "2023-10-13T18:10:43Z")
Deleted. Wrong thread ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/203 "2023-10-13T18:11:05Z")
Eta: saw mod note ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/205 "2023-10-13T18:54:07Z")
I apologize guys, I didn’t realize which thread I was in. In my defense, I asked the question largely in response to a portion of the post above me in the other thread which wasn’t moved over here. But also, thank you for the informative posts nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/206 "2023-10-13T20:36:09Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Israel fired off a Patriot missile due to a false alarm earlier today. So they’re clearly on high alert to use those if needed. I’d hate to be THAT guy … _sorry, son - but they make me take out those $150,000.00 from your salary … based on what HR told me you will be receiving money again starting sept. 2037_ ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/207 "2023-10-13T21:32:57Z")
> [@Hamas attacks Israel, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/423): > > I know that Hamas has encouraged civilians to defy the evacuation order; do we know that they are actually preventing people from moving south? I hope they’re not even trying. Let the Israelies be the ones preventing over a million citizens - if they heed these absolutely illegal and inhumanitarian “orders” (The Hague better be taking notes on the who & what Israel is doing) - be the bad guys here. > In response, the Hamas Authority for Refugee Affairs told residents in the north to “remain steadfast in your homes and to stand firm in the face of this disgusting psychological war waged by the occupation”. I agree! ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/208 "2023-10-13T21:54:57Z")
Oh well, fuck the Hague. There is no true world criminal court. Wiki cite: [International Criminal Court - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court) On 17 July 1998, the [Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court) was adopted by a vote of 120 to seven, with 21 countries abstaining. The seven countries that voted against the treaty China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, the U.S. and Yemen. Russia either didn’t sign in or whatever - like the U.S. and China, who wants some court somewhere in Belgium - wherever that is - to have any say over what your country really wants to do. **Israel’s opposition to the treaty stemmed from the inclusion in the list of war crimes “the action of transferring population into occupied territory”**.[[16]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court#cite_note-16) The…what now? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/209 "2023-10-13T23:34:50Z")
_I think this is the correct thread to post this; however, if it’s not, mods can move it to where it belongs._ [**An employee at the Israeli Embassy in China has been stabbed. A foreign suspect is detained**](https://www.aol.com/news/worker-israels-embassy-beijing-attacked-083449465.html) > BEIJING (AP) — A 50-year-old Israeli man who works at the Israeli Embassy in Beijing was stabbed Friday in front of a supermarket, Chinese police and the Israeli government said. > > Beijing police said they had arrested a suspect, a 53-year-old foreign man. They described the victim as a family member of an Israeli diplomat. No motive was given for the attack, and it was unclear if it was connected to the war between Israel and the militant group Hamas. > > “The employee was transferred to hospital and he is in a stable condition,” an Israeli government statement said, without giving additional details. > > A video posted on social media showed a man with a knife grappling with another man on the ground and stabbing him several times, leaving a trail of blood stains on the sidewalk. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/210 "2023-10-14T00:15:54Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I think this is the correct thread to post this Same here, so I’ll reply to your post and together they can move to where they belong. Meanwhile, in the UK: > **['Massive increase' in antisemitism in London, police say | ITV News](https://www.itv.com/news/2023-10-13/hamas-israel-huge-rise-in-antisemitism-in-london-police-say)** > > More than 100 antisemitic incidents have been reported to London police in the past two weeks. | ITV National News > The Met said “tensions are high” and “hateful behaviours” were on the rise. > > They said 1,000 officers had been assigned to reassure the Jewish community, [with every synagogue in the capital due to be visited by the police by the end of the day](https://www.itv.com/news/2023-10-12/guards-funded-for-synagogues-and-schools-after-rise-in-antisemitism-says-pm). > > Another 1,000 officers will be assigned to police pro-Palestinian protests in London on Saturday. > > The Met said they would arrest anyone who flies the flag of Hamas, given it is a proscribed terrorist group, and could also detain someone flying the Palestinian flag in certain contexts if coupled with hateful language. > > Thousands of people are expected to march to Whitehall on Saturday, the police said. At least the UK isn’t Russia, where those thousands would have to get a permit to have their march about 100km from nowhere. The UK has played a huge part in the “Troubles” (as an Irish Citizen am I allowed to say that word in the UK without being detained?) of Palestine and Israel over the past, say, 100 years. So sure, I won’t go waving the flags of Hamas or Palestine any more than I’d be waving the flag of King Charles III on O’Connell Street in Dublin. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/211 "2023-10-14T02:57:23Z")
What will be any different from the 2014 Gaza War? I remember Israel bombed the tunnels and munitions factories. The military fought and killed Hamas members. Obviously the tunnel system is expanded. There seems to be even more Hamas terrorists and rockets. Is there any solution? Occupation brings its own set of problems. Two million people live there and would openly resist. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/212 "2023-10-14T05:36:24Z")
There is now [more information](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/diplomat-israels-embassy-china-stabbed-093000551.html) on this news. > South China Morning Post > Fri, October 13, 2023 at 5:30 PM GMT+8·4 min read > A man has been detained after an employee at Israel’s embassy in Beijing was stabbed in a street in the Chinese capital. > > Police in the capital’s Chaoyang district said the victim, 50, was also a diplomat’s family member and had been stabbed in front of a supermarket in the Zuojiazhuang neighbourhood at around 2pm on Friday. > > They said the suspect was a 53-year-old who was involved in the “small goods business”, but did not provide further details such as the man’s nationality. There’s an editing oops (more like lack of editing) in the rest of the story. It’s supposed to say _Palestinian state_, but says _Palestininan side_. Also, out of France, there is [this news about the killing of a teacher](https://www.yahoo.com/news/knife-wielding-attacker-shouts-allahu-141109705.html). > **Knife-wielding attacker shouts ‘Allahu akbar’ and kills teacher in French school amid Hamas-Israel war: report** > > A Chechen immigrant on France’s extremist watchlist allegedly stabbed a teacher to death Friday morning and wounded two others in a suspected terror attack that the country’s president called an assassination. > > It happened outside a school in the city of Arras, about 115 miles north of Paris, near the border with Belgium, and a suspect is [in custody](https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/crime), according to France Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/213 "2023-10-14T07:33:05Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > What will be any different from the 2014 Gaza War? I remember Israel bombed the tunnels and munitions factories. The military fought and killed Hamas members. The Israelis seem to be a lot more angry this time around and there are open racists running the government. > [@aceplace57](#): > > Is there any solution? I’m afraid we’re in the territory of “no good answers here - are there any that are less bad?” > [@aceplace57](#): > > Occupation brings its own set of problems. Two million people live there and would openly resist. Yes. And the oppressors are far more heavily armed than the Gazans. I suspect and fear that there will not be two million people alive there next year. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/214 "2023-10-14T12:04:31Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yes. And the oppressors are far more heavily armed than the Gazans. I suspect and fear that there will not be two million people alive there next year. Well, that would require half a million Gazans to die. That’s a fever dream. Did you need assurances that the US wasn’t going to kill 5 million Iraqis during the Iraq war? That’s the scale of what you’re proposing. > [@Broomstick](#): > > The Israelis seem to be a lot more angry this time around and there are open racists running the government. You **do** know that Netanyahu was in charge in 2014 yes? That’s not a difference from 2014. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/215 "2023-10-14T12:40:40Z")
Article on the alleged mastermind behind the Hamas attacks: > **[Who is El Deif, alleged mastermind of the Hamas attack? | CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/14/middleeast/hamas-mastermind-el-deif-intl-hnk/index.html)** > > It is with a weird retrospective guilt that I have to admit: Hamas once saved me from a kidnapping in Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/216 "2023-10-14T13:15:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Obviously the tunnel system is expanded. There seems to be even more Hamas terrorists and rockets. > > Is there any solution? … target humanitarian help better, by sending “in kind”, (e.g. shelf-stables, hygene articles, …) instead of sending $$$ which can be used (and were/are being used) for humanitarian help **or** for buying weapons, paying terrorists, etc… And lets face it: any dollar spent on weapons (5000 missiles/rockets worth of $$$ doesnt sound exactly like “lose change found in the sofa”) … is a dollar that is being syphoned away from citizen in need. that kind of thing: > **[Shocking Video Shows Hamas Converting Gaza's Water Pipes into Missiles, Water...](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/shocking-video-shows-hamas-converting-gazas-water-pipes-into-missiles-water-supply-concerns-arise/videoshow/104396043.cms)** > > In response to Hamas repurposing water pipes into missiles targeting Israeli civilians, the international community expresses deep concern regarding Gaza's water supply. The transformation of essential infrastructure into weaponry has ignited... Of course, sending materials has its own challenges - planning, logistics and allocation - but at least it keeps one reasonably certain that your money will not be converted into terror-acts. again - not solving all problems (by a wide stretch) but it might keep rampant corruption more at bay, and our collective aid dollars might actually help 2mio of civilians - instead of helping 100s of “hamas-honchos”. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/217 "2023-10-14T12:39:46Z")
> [@Hamas attacks Israel, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/425): > > There have not, however, been any elections in the ensuing years. Hamas has a history of either expelling or outright killing any whiff of opposition. And for damn sure Hamas never tolerated civilians being armed. > > Yes, Hamas was a elected but they are not a democracy. If Gazans had wanted a change they were never allowed it. Well, suffering the consecuences of your DECISIONS is drastically different from “being dealt shitty cards”, issntit?. They elected a KNOWN radical, terrorist organization (already declared a terrorist organization years before the elections by the USA, EU-27, UK, Canada, Australia, etc…) … over another - more moderate - option … and surprise-surprise … the terrorist were not true democrats at heart having said that - back to news: this article seems to convey rather well what happened that morning based on “individual’s” POV: [Hamas attack on Israel kibbutz Be’eri captured by mothers’ WhatsApp group](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67105618) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/218 "2023-10-14T14:18:15Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > Well, suffering the consecuences of your DECISIONS is drastically different from “being dealt shitty cards”, issntit?. Most of the Gaza Palestinians alive today, nearly all of them actually, didn’t vote in that election ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/219 "2023-10-14T14:24:24Z")
Isn’t there something on the bible about the decisions of your ancestors dragging your down for 7 generations? Anyway, yeah, the vast majority of Palestinians alive today never voted for Hamas, many because they weren’t born, yet. Which i think counts as being dealt a shitty hand. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/220 "2023-10-14T14:52:59Z")
The Onion weighs in. Snark, yes, but surprisingly, it touches on most all of the aspects of the ongoing disaster. Summary: Understanding the situation/background is hard; really hard. Check the signatures. > **[‘The Onion’ Stands With Israel Because It Seems Like You Get In Less Trouble...](https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-stands-with-israel-because-it-seems-like-yo-1850922505)** > > The past week has shown humanity at its worst: A horrific terrorist attack left at least 1,300 Israelis dead, among them peace activists and even innocent children. The fates of many more kidnapped civilians still lie in the balance. Meanwhile,... ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/221 "2023-10-14T15:53:06Z")
Oh, OG, that’s good!! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/222 "2023-10-14T17:23:55Z")
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